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#### DrTalos

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##### Q&A about my HG
« on: April 20, 2016, 04:44:18 PM »
How much bankroll do you need?
In theory, 1400 units. In my experience never gone even close to that. My record is around 450. But It is good to have some margins.

How many numbers you bet?
Depends. Changes during the game.

Did the game ends with the first hit?
Only if hits in the firsts spins. Sometimes I need 2 hits, sometimes five…

What the average profit?
Each and every game ends with a profit from 1 to 9 units. The average profit, because games can last 1 spin while other 30 or so, is around .30

Do you need a “magical” combination in order to win?
Not at all. All is needed is that I hit an average of 1 every 60 numbers played (or better). As soon as this threshold is reached, the game is won. Has happen I had to wait more than 180 numbers played before the first hit, then in the next 15 spins or so, with three more hit, the game was over.

How you choose numbers to play?
I use a system to avoid any mistake, and to fasten the game. There is no a better pattern or a best or worst choice, the important is the total numbers played, in the way the system asks for.

How many spins your system stands?
It can go almost 260 spins. The longest game I experienced is 73 spins, and the second worst around 50. The average game last 4 spins. During the day 80% of games are from 1 spins to 12.

Do you sell it?
No, I don’t.

Why?
Because I don’t want to. I make enough money with it to be satisfied, and if I had to put a price tag, that should be quite high.

Are calculations complicated?
Not really. In the vast majority of games I can compute mentally, using a clicker to keep track of spins. When the game becomes longer, let say more than 20 spins, you should keep track of balance, but is not complicated at all.

Do you cheat the wheel?
No, in any way. I use math.

So, what’s the philosophy of the system?
I think progression is the key. I don’t think there is a way to predict what numbers will be next, or sector or street or… Past spins have no influence, the dealer have not, the cabalistic aspect of numbers… BS. Even statistic has no matter in few spins, because it works on large amount of numbers.

How you found it?
I tried and tried tons of systems, changing approach every time that I felt stuck and cannot improve further what I had. I guess I have been lucky finding an unusual way to build a progression. As a matter of fact, I never seen a progression even close as the one I use.

Why you are not rich?
In an average day, you can play 8/10 hours, with frequent stops. Most of all, because looking at a wheel is boring (I usually browse the internet meanwhile, because you don’t need much attention in the first 10 spins, or chatting or using Facebook etc. etc.). The airball machine, that is faster than live roulette (close to 1 spin every fifty seconds) allows me to profit 30/40 units hr. I play with 3\$ chips, so my day ends when I get 1000\$. That goes two/three days a week.
With a 3\$ unit chip, for 1400 bankroll needed, I bring with me 4500\$.
My plan is move to 5\$ then 10\$, so to reach a profit of 3000\$ a day, or 6000\$ a week, or 24000\$ a month, “working” only two days a week.
Last year, for example, I played for long sessions of 12 and 14 days in a row, in Atlantic City and Las Vegas. Not a pleasureful experience, except for money.
Back to math. To became rich you should play something like 4 days a week, with a 20\$ units, so you have to bring 30000\$ cash in the casino (go figure) and maybe redeem 10000\$ over and over… You get noticed, not only by casino’s employees: thieves, gold diggers, people in needs, other gamblers… I don’t want that!

Are you the only winner?
I don’t think so. I played in hundreds places, from US to Australia, from Norway to Spain, on cruise ships and so on, and I met at least other two guys that seemed to have a good system. You can say this because they didn’t celebrate huge winnings, they were very focused on the game, and I “recognized” my same behaviors (no rewards cards, no chatting with others, no emotional display of any sort).

Did you ever lost?
Three times. Once I had to go to the bathroom because of oysters… yeah, enjoy the buffet, they say. Another was because they had to clean the area where the roulette was located. They gave me a warning of three spins then they closed the machine. I was out of like 20 units, so not a big deal. Third, and most painful, in the middle of a long game, I was out around 150 units, and my sister called me at the phone. My mother was no more, and I left without caring of the systems or the money.

Do you play online?
No. I think it is too easy to rig results, and secondarily I don’t want to be noticed. I change often casinos, and I cannot stick to an online one.

Did you ever told someone the system.
I wrote the system for my family, if something happens to me. Unfortunately my daughter is too young to learn it, and my wife cannot grab it. I had sometimes the temptation, for vanity or because someone needed so badly, but I refrained myself.
I thought to teach it to my brother, so he could protect my family if something unexpected happens to me. This is my biggest concern. I am not in a good relationship with him, and I do not trust him 100%, and I don’t think he got the right attitude to play the system at the casino, because lacks of discipline.

Something more to add?
I’m just a nickname on a monitor, and people reading it are nicknames too. I don’t want to impress females just to bring them to me, so there is no use to fake something. I don’t care if people believes it or not. I have been called liar and attention seeker, dreamer or scammer. I get sad reading these statements, because they do not understand my position, and moreover they reveal their short sight. Unfortunately my English is not good enough to express myself completely, and I am sure I made a lot of mistakes here, but I hope someone will be encouraged to find his own way to his HG.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2016, 06:15:17 PM by kav »

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#### Jake007

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2016, 05:03:59 PM »

Thank you for the insight Dr Talos. I agree there is no reason to sell a winning system as you already make money. The only reason a system is sold (in my opinion) is if a system is a losing system. However, people can still gain knowledge from losing systems, so buying a system could be worthwhile in the long run. My wife would ask me why do I subscribe to 10 magazines... I figure that if I learn one new thing and retain it, it was well worth the price of the subscription. Sure, 95% of the remainder of the magazine is advertisements and junk... but maybe there is something useful.

I'm sure I will learn from it as I reread and attempt my own strategies.

For me any system that shows a 20% profit on a regular basis with no huge downturns is close to a holy grail system.

One question... have you studied your system of progression on websites like loothog.com? Just this answer alone would tell me a great deal.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2016, 05:12:05 PM by Jake007 »

#### december

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2016, 05:15:30 PM »
Thanks Dr, very motivating info!

#### DrTalos

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2016, 06:13:03 PM »
Jake, consider that I was living in Europe till few years ago, and my English was nothing back then. I never heard of the website you are talking to.
I made my progression entirely from scratch.
I didn't figure it out in a blast, though. The initial draft was different, then I adjusted it practicing and playing, when my mind figure out a way to improve it. Not all improvements has been for the better, so sometimes you have to go back to basic, but what I have now is untouched since 2014.
Ever attempt I made to improve it further has been unsuccessful, so I guess I reached the top of it.

#### Jake007

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2016, 06:44:43 PM »
Jake, consider that I was living in Europe till few years ago, and my English was nothing back then. I never heard of the website you are talking to.
I made my progression entirely from scratch.
I didn't figure it out in a blast, though. The initial draft was different, then I adjusted it practicing and playing, when my mind figure out a way to improve it. Not all improvements has been for the better, so sometimes you have to go back to basic, but what I have now is untouched since 2014.
Ever attempt I made to improve it further has been unsuccessful, so I guess I reached the top of it.

Just FYI... loothog is a nice website with many different type of progression and other roulette calculators. I use it often when working ona system just to get a feel of viability.

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2016, 07:28:20 PM »
Interesting post DrTalos. Here is another entry for your Q&A

Are you willing to share your HG?

#### Jake007

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2016, 08:03:29 PM »
Interesting post DrTalos. Here is another entry for your Q&A

Are you willing to share your HG?

He has said previously he wont share it only to his wife/children. Understandable. He even doesnt trust his brother 100%... Same for me. My brother would follow my movements on facebook... to the point I removed FB all together. When we buy a lotto ticket I make photocopies just to keep everyone honest.

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2016, 08:17:59 PM »
Well if he indeed has found the HG (which works for him) I'm very happy for him :-) I know first hand, the struggle, the frustration and the losses... So it's quite the sensation, when you find something that works.

However... A few more things to consider, when playing roulette is patience and control and last but not least, being willing to loose from times to times.

#### DrTalos

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2016, 09:11:12 PM »
I think the first year has been just recovery, for all the money I spent previously, in systems and strategies that didn't work.
In almost thirty years of attempts, I had my share of desperation and anger. Many times I thrown away pads and notes, with thousands and thousand of outcomes on which I tested systems that lasted less than 2 hours in a real play.

Is not easy to win even with a winning system. As I said, boredom is a potent killer. You need discipline and self control. These are characteristics my brother doesn't have. I understand is quite sad as a statement, but this is it.
He is an honest man, but is not a player in any sense, and the system for him is just a waste. The defeat is, primarily, on the player.

I will not share. Let's say you want to start a business, a solid and established franchising. You have to pay a quote, and initial setup, and a slice of your profit, or a monthly fee. I thought of it for some time. Put together a bunch of people and sweep casinos, getting a share of their work and all of mine. I thought asking like 50000\$, give some training, and when the player is able to walk by itself, start with a new one (I guess it takes less then 30 minutes to learn it, and maybe a day or two to handle at the casino).
My problem was how to control that. I know how much the system profit, but I cannot keep the system with the initial team. They can spread it all over the world, and make it worthless.
Honestly, I don't think the casino can stop it. I don't reach limits, I don't cheat, I don't use any device, is just simple math, but the accessibility to a casino floor is always discretional, so they can kick you out without reasons. So I decided to keep it to me exclusively.
As you can see, there are issues. I thought to keep with me and just my wife, or my brother, as a safety net, but I don't have the right person close to me. Anyway, I wrote it down as a legacy for my family, and they will have it if something will happen to me. I am confident that someone will be able to use it. I am not even 50, so I hope I got some time :]

With the future money, I will do some investment. For now, I spend most of the winning moving to US, buy a small business to get a Visa, and I just recently moved to a new bigger house. As I said, I am not really interested in becoming rich. Never been a dream of mine. I like money, I don't like to be ruled by greed.

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2016, 09:17:15 PM »
Very informative Dr Talos.

He brings up an important point that caught my eye. If you have ever played the game and been up only 1 unit - you have beaten it. The critical thing is what you do from then on. This is thinking outside the box, so to speak. Opens new vistas on how to approach the game.

I think he has no need to "share" his system. He has given the basic premise of how it works. One could suit their own taste and devise their methods within this framework. It's more the psychology....than the cold hard system used.

Regards..... Sher
« Last Edit: April 20, 2016, 09:39:08 PM by Sheridan44 »

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2016, 01:41:26 AM »
Congratulations on finding a holy grail that works for you!  I understand you may not want to reveal your system (I don't blame you  , but do you have any tips for a safe progression you can share?

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2016, 08:59:00 AM »
A HG doesnot consist. Pro rouletteplayers  have knowledge. a good strategy, experience, skill and talent.

It takes a very long time to develop these features.

#### scepticus

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2016, 11:48:55 AM »
A HG doesnot consist. Pro rouletteplayers  have knowledge. a good strategy, experience, skill and talent.

It takes a very long time to develop these features.

I have never met a " Roulette Professional " . Has anyone in this forum actually met one ?
REAL's "heroes " , for instance , are businessmen and not Roulette Professionals.
Do they have degrees or Masters  in Roulette ? Are there  any Roulette Professional Associations ?
Just curious.

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2016, 02:31:46 PM »
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I have never met a " Roulette Professional " . Has anyone in this forum actually met one ?
" Roulette Professional " is man, who can  live from winings in casino on roulette.
Last   10  years i better or worse, but live from that, of course in to one i put also mine poker and Blackjack winings....

#### scepticus

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##### Re: Q&A about my HG
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2016, 02:24:10 PM »

So you are not a ROULETTE  PROFESSIONAL ?