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Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« on: April 19, 2016, 08:25:44 PM »
Just saw this video and made me wonder if it is possible to really predict where the ball will land, given the very low frets of the new roulette wheels

There are various methods that try to predict the spin out come. From roulette computers to dealer's signature to visual ballistics, you name it.
Do you think these methods work?
Do you have any personal experience?


In the following video (after 3:00) Paul Wilson says visual ballistics is extremely hard but maybe possible.

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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2016, 09:55:29 PM »
Awesome!  That first video is almost hypnotic with the music and slow motion wheel & ball! :D

I think that if there is a HG with system play it also will only be accessible with the help of a computer. :D
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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2016, 09:56:02 PM »
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Do you think these methods work?
Do you have any personal experience?
You almost push out one of the best players in the world  and now  give such questions ? Where is logic ?

I can say that makers of that video "experts " they really not know how all works...many talks about some AP methods , but usually understand almost exact opposite what do player and how really all work and why work.

I really wonder by very strange situation in past in roulette world in internet, usually most  participants  are very aggressive and very angry on all  advantative players.

In past appear very much scamers which talk that they "know"  holly grail... and all their knowledges here are finished...
I not know why you not do opposite you had very good player in your forum why you not tryed to get some knowledges from him , some hints, why you attacked him ?
now he visit here seldom and for sure will not say nothing what can help to many of you if you are really players, no matter you will use AP or not, are some mathematical things, which can help to you, even if you play without any physical knowledges....
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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2016, 10:02:26 PM »
C'mon Bebed!

Nobody here attacked anyone.  Please don't make me quote walls of text to show you this...

Let's remember that we also "eat our own" and equally challenge system players that claim a winning system; but that is not an attack as much as it is a fair and open challenge.

Its quite a different thing to consistently and in an unprovoked manner insult the intelligence of a poster simply because they advocate system play; that IS an attack and there is a huge difference between the two types of behaviors!
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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2016, 10:09:59 PM »
Bebe,
I don't know what you are talking about.
What exactly have you learned from "one of the best players in the world"?
I don't care so much who one is. I care more about what he has to offer.

And to the point, do you have an opinion? Do you have some knowledge to share?
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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2016, 11:32:35 PM »

What exactly have you learned from "one of the best players in the world"?
I don't care so much who one is. I care more about what he has to offer.

And to the point, do you have an opinion? Do you have some knowledge to share?
I not learned from him, because all mine learning i done himself and many years before...
You perfect know about what i talk. Why he must have a wish something to offer to you. That is you, who must fight, that he will gave something ....that is you who  must offer something to him that he will talk about really good ways of play, but you all donne totally opposite.

I cant  find answer what is your aim ? You all talk about your winings and all good know , that it is not true... pitty, but that is...
 I have very much knowledges , but here is not that place, where i share them.
 Are books, articles, in which are described Vb and in which are described  bias play - read and learn himself why you that not do ? Nobody will do that instead you,

Yes, that is hard, but only this have possitive results...
You simply must one time visit casino and meet some AP and observe his play - this maybe will open your eyes...
 

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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2016, 01:19:20 AM »
I apologize Bebed but nowhere can you show that Kav has discouraged AP players from sharing their knowledge; if anything it IS the opposite -- he has pleaded with them to do so many times instead of their incessant and patronizing attacks of system players through ad hominem and through insinuation.
 

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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2016, 07:11:44 AM »
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their incessant and patronizing attacks of system players
That is not attacks - that is simply trying to open  eyes. I not know why some AP have wish to explain for system players that their way is way to nowhere. I not have such wish - system players can play as they want really for me that without diference.
The same i not have wish to share mine experience, simply not understand what is benefit from that to me ....
In forums i simply look for players which think, similar like me... that is simple.
 
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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2016, 07:51:42 PM »
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their incessant and patronizing attacks of system players
That is not attacks - that is simply trying to open  eyes. I not know why some AP have wish to explain for system players that their way is way to nowhere. I not have such wish - system players can play as they want really for me that without diference.
The same i not have wish to share mine experience, simply not understand what is benefit from that to me ....
In forums i simply look for players which think, similar like me... that is simple.

You are one of  a line of people who have the aim of " opening our eyes " and claim -without proof - that we don't profit  .We DO understand what AP and VB are though you guys claim that we don't. It is just that we don't agree that this is " The Only Way " that you guys  claim it to be.
It is only our detractors who claim certainty while we don't. We accept that we can lose because we sometimes do - and sometimes often. All we claim is that our profits exceed our losses.

WE don't expect you to tell us what you actually bet  - just give us a rough idea. For example you once said that you used seven parameters . Can you explain how you can do those calculations in the time before NO MORE BETS is called - without the aid of a computer ? That would be helpful.#
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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2016, 08:08:36 AM »

WE don't expect you to tell us what you actually bet  - just give us a rough idea. For example you once said that you used seven parameters . Can you explain how you can do those calculations in the time before NO MORE BETS is called - without the aid of a computer ? That would be helpful.#
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I not remember what i writed , seven is maybe not enough, no matter, i think main what you interest is how  i can do calculations so fast.
Answer is very simple - duering spin i not do any calculations at all !!
All AP is simply like comparison  one spin in which  result you know with spin, which you want to predict. we compare two spins with ideally the same ball speed, after we simply apply physic lows which we learned in school.
So finally we are in situation when we know that for actual ball  till it will fall is left 10 sec and it will fall say exact after 5 rotations. Because we know wheel speed - not hard to know which number will be in place where ball will fall - rest is matter of texnick - how fast i can place bets on board...
You can look to sites of these which  sell  AP methods  - you will find special cards which show for player all.
So these who have bad memory they look to these cards  maybe duering play , other simply keep all in memory.
Anyway in internet are plenty videos how some predict - naturally who post that video  maybe choose best variants from several  videos , but still you can easy see that predict right is possible and all that depends only on players skill.
Other variant which maybe is more near to system play is bias play. Here every can do experiment - collect some amount of numbers  say 500  then select from them half which are the best numbers simply by how much hits they have and after look to next 100 and see how  these say 18 numbers will play in that next 100 spins. What you will see - simply that these 18 numbers not will be worst numbers, they in most case not will be bigger winner's but they as minimum will be in averidge.
Good player of bias he know which numbers to select- not  need that number will hit most times that it will be biased are other catteries also.
So good player always will select  group of numbers better than not experienced...

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" The Only Way " that you guys  claim it to be.
I not know it is only way or not , simply till now only it is proved...
Say many AP about mine play say that it is wrong , because they not understand it and of course i not explain much, but they see constant results.
Usually AP looks for "easy wheels " - so these which are easier to beat, I always wanted to create method which will beat any wheel and i really are very near to that, simply that on most wheels mine advantage is very small and risky to play high bets, so practically not always possible to win.... but that is rare.
 
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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2016, 11:35:56 AM »
Thanks for that Bebe.
Some AP in this forum have claimed that studying the physics of the wheel IS the Only Way to beat roulette . Am I wrong to think your previous posts claimed that  too ? 
I understand what you are saying , I just don't agree that you can actually do that on a consistent basis.
Another AP in this forum declined my invitation to show his " skill" in his local casino.
AP may be good in theory but I doubt  that it actually does what you claim it does.
If we "Method" players profit why should we change to AP ?
 

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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2016, 02:25:28 PM »
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Another AP in this forum declined my invitation to show his " skill" in his local casino.
I can show and i some time will do that, there are several who ask. I will do that of course on mine wheel, other variant i not have, but observers still can see, that  what i bet is not random and that i have advantage, how big here is other...
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AP may be good in theory but I doubt  that it actually does what you claim it does.
Not doubt - it really gives  clearity what to do. If all is good i usually know where ball will hit which diamond and which number will be under it. From this point all go random but that random  have it limits - ball simply cant scater  infinity pockets, so i usually know what will be in 80%-90% that is enough that i will covering 18 pockets will have 60% of hits and that is huge money....
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If we "Method" players profit why should we change to AP ?
If i can win with system / method i will play this way , because that is much easier, but i cant....
 
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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2016, 07:10:55 PM »
I understand that it CLEARLY does tell you what to do Bebe. I have  read some posts that tell you what to do so where did you read about this?
Yours is one idea  among  many so good luck with it .
 
 

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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2016, 12:18:25 PM »
I think there may be a way to beat roulette with dealer signiture, especially on the fast pace wheels where the dealer spins the ball every 60 seconds.  These dealers get are spinning so frequently that there spins are pretty rythmic.  And since the spins come so frequent, the wheel is still turning about the same speed as the last spin.

I once seen a guy betting $2 chips on about 5 or 6 numbers gradually raising his bets on winnings and walked away with over $4000 within an hour.  The dealer kept hitting the same area of the wheel.  Could of been luck, but the dealer didn't even seem aware she was doing it.

I believe it is virtually impossible to know what number the dealer will hit next.  But maybe, knowing which half of the wheel will hit next could be possible.  Lets say the  next number hit was 5 slots away from the last hit number....so bet the next number that is 5 slots away as well as 8 numbers to the left/right of it covering half the wheel.  I think this could only work on the fast sped roulette where the dealer only spins every 45 seconds to 60 seconds. 

This could possibly beat the 5% house edge.  What do you guys think?
 
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Re: Is it possible to predict where the ball will land?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2016, 01:05:22 PM »
Indeed, one does not necessarily needs to win every time for such a system to be profitable. Even a relatively small advantage is enough.