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Sputnik

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How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« on: April 13, 2016, 06:52:29 PM »

This is the progression i know:

1. Parlay
2. Guetting

Any others?

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 07:18:06 PM »
Hi Sputnik,

Very good question.
Keep in mind that almost all up as you lose progressions have an up as you win version called 'reverse". For example, there is Reverse Labouchere, Reverse d'Alembert, Reverse Martingale etc.
You can fine a full list of these systems here

One very interesting progression that could be typically called up as you win, but it is actually a mix is the Pluscoup or Oscar's Grin system. It is also reported by various authors as one of the most successful systems ever. It is a personal favorite too - I really like this system.
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2016, 05:09:26 PM »

Thank you Kav :-)
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2016, 08:46:55 AM »
I have read the descriptions of these systems again.
I miss the results of 150 and 500 spins samples.Without the outcomes of many samples it is impossible to judge these systems.
I wonder, why there is so less interest for my excelprograms on this forum.Conclusions are drawn too fast without a thorough research.
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2016, 02:08:27 PM »
dobbel,
I have found out that very often lack of interest is due to lack of understanding.
What exactly are your excelprograms doing?
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2016, 09:18:46 AM »
Some "up on win" is not really positive progressions, like Oscars grind. It add to the progressions only if we are in minus. Any up on a win can be used this way. I have noticed a step progression like Grand Martingale works best. It is easy when flat bet, come back 25 units, and to recover if we use Grand Martingale we need only a run of 4 for recover, at a price of one unit a spin until that will happen.
 
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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2016, 09:39:40 AM »
Thank you Jesper.
Welcome back!
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2016, 11:37:23 AM »
Quote
Some "up on win" is not really positive progressions, like Oscars grind. It add to the progressions only if we are in minus.

Very good Point.
Jesper can you give one example about the Marty variant.

 I like the Guetting Progression very much :-)

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« Last Edit: April 21, 2016, 11:39:17 AM by Sputnik »
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2016, 12:04:04 PM »
http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=713.msg10270#msg10270

Above are my thoughts on the Paroli with a different betting scheme & bet selection.
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2016, 12:23:21 PM »
Above are my thoughts on the Paroli with a different betting scheme & bet selection.
Hey Reyth, this seems more like a reverse d'Alembert after your modifications.
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2016, 12:27:00 PM »
Ya wow good point!  The progression idea wasn't mine and I didn't even realize that he was actually doing the reverse D'Alembert!!
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2016, 02:50:48 AM »
Sputnik

If we set the on line casino at 50 autospins flat on an EC, come back and find us in a few profit, run again and if we are a few back, it is in my option best to try Grand  Martingale. Up on a win. This step progression works only in such case. 1,3,7.  three  wins in a row to recover 11. If we spend 40 spins until a recover we are back 51 units. On a run of  5 we are  up again.

on a 1,3,7,15,31,63,127,254,516.  Only if we are back 1000 spins/units we need a run of 9.
We lose a chip a spin, using a more conservative way is normal Martingale, cost is 1 unit an attempt, but needs longer run to recover the loss.
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2016, 09:10:40 AM »

Jesper i find that one to agressive, my opinion.

I remember Brett Morton create up as you go progression where you draw back half your stack when winning, i will search for it and post it.

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2016, 10:23:12 AM »
Kav the excelprograms show the whole proces of systems step by step.
The results are fixed in diagrams. Study the different diagrams can abroad your knowledge of systems. The result of one sample in insuffidient to draw conclusions
With one touch of KEY 9 and the program calculate a new sample.

Excel sheets can tell you more than 1000 words.In the Netherlands they have started to learn childeren programming.Research of anything can not done without computermodels

My knowledge of roulette is based on my research with computers. My first computer exercises I did on the Commodor 64. 35 years ago I developed an roulette for a studet event.
In stead of the roulettecilinder I used a TV screen.
 

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Re: How many up as you go progression exist for even money bets?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2016, 07:21:59 PM »

Jesper i find that one to agressive, my opinion.

I remember Brett Morton create up as you go progression where you draw back half your stack when winning, i will search for it and post it.

Cheers

If we use the Grand Martingale for recover only, it is the fastest need a short run. We pay a chip a spin until we are on new balance. Very common to win 5 to 7 spins in a row in a few 100 spins.
A very conservative progression works as well (in between it is harder).
If we play a mix of positive and negative progression like   1111 2222 3333 4444... and parlay once, the bets will not skyrocket, but the bankroll mus have size. One parlay at a level makes break even at that level, and we should have a run there we win more than one, This takes sometimes time, and are best suited for NOZ Wheel, as we turn over a lot.