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Myles

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Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« on: March 03, 2016, 04:28:05 PM »
Good day! My name is Myles, and I really need help with RX scripting. Let me describe the system and what I am trying to do:
I want to spin until 8 numbers come up in a row that are all different numbers. Let me repeat that. I wait until the last 8 numbers to come up consecutively are all different from one another. Once this happens, I put a single straight-up bet on each number (1 dollar on each, so 8 dollars total). So if the number 9 just came up and the seven numbers prior to that are all different numbers, I put a straight-up bet on 9, and all of the last 7 numbers.
If there is a repetition in the last 8 numbers, I do not bet. Instead, I keep spinning until there is no repetition in the last 8, at which point I bet once again. That's it. That's my system. It is based off of the Birthday Paradox, and I am about 99% certain that in a BM casino with a hand spun wheel this system beats roulette, both american and european. That might sound arrogant, but I really think I have something here. If anyone could help me figure out the RX Script that would be amazing. Thank you, and have a nice day.
Sincerely,
Myles
« Last Edit: March 03, 2016, 06:45:27 PM by mylesriley »


 

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Re: RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2016, 04:44:18 PM »
Hello,

Nice system.
We used to have an active coding section, where Sp1N-D1zZy helped members in coding tasks with his great skill.
Maybe it is worth trying to contact him.
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2016, 07:26:39 PM »
I can also code this in non-Rx very easily.
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2016, 08:46:49 AM »
I am curious for the result of a 200 spin sample. Please show us also the diagrams of in- and ouput and the profit % per spin
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2016, 08:50:53 AM »
SPIN EXAMPLE #1
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23
0
11
12
6
19
0
17
36
2
15
23
31
4
6

Bet Once on the following numbers:
17-36-2-15-23-31-4-6

SPIN EXAMPLE #2
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15
31
17
1
6
19
26
12

Bet Once on the following numbers:
15-31-17-1-6-19-26-12

Is this correct Myles?
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2016, 10:21:27 AM »
Made a quick simulation for 10 times a 1.000 spins (10 x 1.000) and it dosen't quite cut it.

Here is an example of a 1.000 spins:

Spin   Balance   STATUS
17   -8   LOOSE
26   19   WIN
43   11   LOOSE
52   3   LOOSE
61   -5   LOOSE
76   22   WIN
85   14   LOOSE
94   6   LOOSE
103   -2   LOOSE
123   25   WIN
146   17   LOOSE
155   9   LOOSE
164   36   WIN
173   28   LOOSE
190   20   LOOSE
199   12   LOOSE
211   4   LOOSE
225   -4   LOOSE
234   23   WIN
249   15   LOOSE
258   7   LOOSE
267   34   WIN
276   26   LOOSE
298   18   LOOSE
307   10   LOOSE
316   2   LOOSE
332   -6   LOOSE
344   21   WIN
364   13   LOOSE
378   5   LOOSE
413   -3   LOOSE
434   -11   LOOSE
451   -19   LOOSE
480   -27   LOOSE
493   0   WIN
502   -8   LOOSE
516   -16   LOOSE
525   -24   LOOSE
541   -32   LOOSE
562   -5   WIN
571   22   WIN
580   14   LOOSE
589   6   LOOSE
619   -2   LOOSE
639   25   WIN
656   17   LOOSE
665   44   WIN
674   36   LOOSE
683   63   WIN
699   55   LOOSE
719   82   WIN
736   74   LOOSE
753   66   LOOSE
762   58   LOOSE
771   50   LOOSE
812   42   LOOSE
821   34   LOOSE
830   26   LOOSE
839   18   LOOSE
872   10   LOOSE
881   2   LOOSE
890   -6   LOOSE
904   -14   LOOSE
943   -22   LOOSE
956   -30   LOOSE
965   -3   WIN
974   -11   LOOSE
997   -19   LOOSE
« Last Edit: March 04, 2016, 10:27:48 AM by Rourke »
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2016, 10:27:29 AM »
I hope I have understood the system correctly.
I have attached an excel spreadsheet, unfortunately the results are not good.

Spins are based on a "00" wheel

To run a session of 200 spins, hit refresh to run sample tests
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2016, 10:28:11 AM »
Made a quick simulation for 10 times a 1.000 spins (10 x 1.000) and it dosen't quite cut it.

Used the above cycle, flatbetting

Here is an example of a 1.000 spins:

Spin   Balance   STATUS
17   -8   LOOSE
26   19   WIN
43   11   LOOSE
52   3   LOOSE
61   -5   LOOSE
76   22   WIN
85   14   LOOSE
94   6   LOOSE
103   -2   LOOSE
123   25   WIN
146   17   LOOSE
155   9   LOOSE
164   36   WIN
173   28   LOOSE
190   20   LOOSE
199   12   LOOSE
211   4   LOOSE
225   -4   LOOSE
234   23   WIN
249   15   LOOSE
258   7   LOOSE
267   34   WIN
276   26   LOOSE
298   18   LOOSE
307   10   LOOSE
316   2   LOOSE
332   -6   LOOSE
344   21   WIN
364   13   LOOSE
378   5   LOOSE
413   -3   LOOSE
434   -11   LOOSE
451   -19   LOOSE
480   -27   LOOSE
493   0   WIN
502   -8   LOOSE
516   -16   LOOSE
525   -24   LOOSE
541   -32   LOOSE
562   -5   WIN
571   22   WIN
580   14   LOOSE
589   6   LOOSE
619   -2   LOOSE
639   25   WIN
656   17   LOOSE
665   44   WIN
674   36   LOOSE
683   63   WIN
699   55   LOOSE
719   82   WIN
736   74   LOOSE
753   66   LOOSE
762   58   LOOSE
771   50   LOOSE
812   42   LOOSE
821   34   LOOSE
830   26   LOOSE
839   18   LOOSE
872   10   LOOSE
881   2   LOOSE
890   -6   LOOSE
904   -14   LOOSE
943   -22   LOOSE
956   -30   LOOSE
965   -3   WIN
974   -11   LOOSE
997   -19   LOOSE
« Last Edit: March 04, 2016, 11:10:37 AM by Rourke »
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2016, 01:57:18 PM »
 
    Hi Rouke,
                 If you check the system was winning up until that last series of 16 losses and only one win. I realise that we must look to the worst possible result. The question is how often ids such a result liable to occur. The overall loss was very small. If Myles can prove with extensive testing that the losing series was a freak and not likely to recur. He may be able to tweak the play to handle long losing session.

   Hi Myles,
              You seem to be almost there. Don't give up. perhaps look at what the results might be if you bet your unique numbers to 12 spins or even more with a progression.

     Welcome to the forum,
                                           Harry
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2016, 02:59:22 PM »
Wow awesome posts all you guys!  This was great to wake up to!! :D
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2016, 04:45:18 PM »
Alright. Here is the explanation for the losses in your simulations:
I used to think the system works in RNGs and real life wheels that are hand spun. What I have come to realize is that in an RNG the system loses because the past spins do not predict or control future spins, as I have been told very, very many times in the past. Here is where my system gets interesting. I bought roulette xtreme about a month ago. I downloaded thousands of spins from a live dealer casino with one of those automated wheels, in which an RNG picks a number, and then the seemingly free-spinning wheel decelerates to force the ball to land on said number. My system cannot beat that. That is true randomness, and that is not real roulette. The system also will not work with online games with RNG, and/or Psuedo RNG. It only works with an actual wheel with actual spin results.
To reassure myself of this I downloaded 10,000 spins from Dublin. It is a giant collection of series of 400 spins. What I noticed immediately was how often I was winning compared to the RNG spins. Let me explain exactly why this was happening, because I have been working on this for a year, now, and the results are exactly what I thought they would be. Here is the explanation:
If you have not heard of the mathematical phenomenon known as the birthday paradox, it is the reason my system works in real life and not on a computer. The birthday paradox shows why in a group of exactly 23 people there is just over a 50% chance that two of those 23 have the same birthday. If you have a graphing calculator the following equation proves this. (365 npr 23)/365^23
That equation will tell you the chance that there IS NOT a match, meaning 1-the answer to the previous equation yields just over 50%. Now that you know this, let me show you how many roulette numbers you would need to have a probability of AT LEAST 50% that at least two of them match each other. The answer, conveniently for both american and european roulette, is 8 numbers. You need at least 8 numbers for there to be a more than likely chance that two match. Here is the equation:
1-((38 npr  8 )/38^8) for american, and 1-((37 npr  8 )/37^8) for european. What this means is that the likelyhood that the last 8 numbers to appear have a match is going to always be over 50%, and its actually more like 55% for american and 56% for european. So from here you would think that if 7 numbers come up in a row that don't match one another there must be a 55% or 56% chance that the next number is one of those 7, right? Wrong. The equation doesn't end there. Here is how it ends.
The 55 or 56% probability of a win is spread evenly among the numbers. The only numbers you are actually concerned about, however, is the next number to appear, or the 8th number, and whatever number matches it from the last 7. So how many ways can 2 of the same number be arranged in 8 different slots? The answer is found with the following equation: 8 ncr 2, which is the same thing as 8 choose 2. The answer is 28. There are 28 different positions the matching numbers can be found in. But how many matter? That is, how many can you profit from? The answer is 7 out of the 28. Here's why. You have 8 different spots, right? Picture the 8th spot. Now picture the last 7 spots. How many can you pair together that involve the 8th spot? 1 and 8, 2 and 8, 3 and 8, 4 and 8, 5 and 8, 6 and 8, 7 and 8. That's all. Just those 7.
The aforementioned 55 or 56% is now multiplied by the 7/28, or exactly .25. This leaves you with around 14 %. So of the 55 or 56% chance that there is a match, provided that the match has not occurred yet in the last 7 numbers, the entire percentage is not applied to the last number, but instead only a quarter of it, which is 14%. So now we want to know if we can still win this bet. Yes, you can still win. Here is why.
You had a 55 or 56% chance of a match in 8. That means there was a 45 or 44% chance of there not being a match, right? Okay so now that only a fourth of your winning percentage is relevant to you, 14%, it is compared to the losing probability, which is 45% or 44%. So here that is. 14/(14 + 44 or 45) = either 23.2 % for american or 23.9% for european. Keep in mind that I rounded the 14 from 13.7 or so, so if you get a different answer just don't round the numbers and try it again. Anyway, so now you have lets go with the 23.2%, just because its lower, and I want to see how much abuse the system takes. So the payout on a straight-up bet is 35 to 1, so if you are betting on 7 numbers, if you win you get 29 dollars, and if you lose you lose 7 dollars. What this means is you can lose 4 times and win only 1 time and still make a profit of one dollar. That would mean you are only winning 20% of the time. Now picture what happens when you win 23.2% of the time. That's right, you would win a lot more.
In the real world, this system does work. But it has to be on a real, hand-spun wheel without any sort of electronic interference. Also, I have found that betting on the last 8 numbers to appear that don't match RATHER than only betting on 7, which was my original idea, actually makes money faster. If you were to do it this way you would have either a 28.49% chance of winning for american, or a 29.45% chance for european. The payout in this case would be 28 dollars for a win and -8 dollars for a loss, which means that in order to profit you would need to be winning at least 25% of the time, or one win for every three losses. I personally recommend the betting on 8 numbers instead of 7, which is why I requested the RX scripting for 8 instead of 7.
Well guys that's about it. I also did some math with how much money you would make doing this. If you were at a wheel that got spun around 60 times per hour you could make around $100 an hour from doing the 8 number betting method, and around the same amount doing the 7 number bet. I recommend the 8 number because it is slightly faster. Also you need a bankroll of around $500 to cover any deviations. Well that was quite the mouthful. By the way I have tested this on my own roulette wheel and it works there too. Have a good one, guys. Any questions just let me know.
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2016, 05:03:01 PM »
The only reason for a difference between RNG and real wheels is imperfections/bias (dealer or physical) in the real wheels.  Since this must vary from wheel to wheel, you can never be certain of your results?

I also find it hard to believe that imperfections/bias can make such a large difference in the results.  I think there must be another reason for the difference in your results, such as sample size?
 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2016, 05:13:25 PM »
Hi Myles,

The simple math for the system is that the chance that the next spin will match any of the previous 7 or 8 numbers is 7/37 or 8/37. That's it. I'm not sure why you've made it so complicated.

The fact that past spins don't indicate future spins also applies to real wheels. My advice is to quit while you're ahead.  :)

 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2016, 05:34:41 PM »
I have been trying it on 10,000 spins from a real wheel, on three different wheels, and the money keeps going up. But I really need the RX Scripting to save time. Also, the birthday paradox literally proves that in the real world the math is different. Roulette wheels that are real are anything but random, I have found. I would not make that claim if I was not completely sure. A roulette wheel's future spins can be predicted, but an RNG cannot. This system proves it, regardless of what I think or what anyone else thinks. The last 8 spin results are no different from the last 23 people that just entered a room. There is no difference, and that is not my opinion. That is what 10,000 spins from an actual wheel prove.
This system actually would not work as well if there was wheel bias, and the likelihood that a casino's wheel is biased enough to double my money in about an hour just does not support that.

If anyone has their doubts, please just try it with REAL SPIN RESULTS from an ACTUAL wheel, not a live dealer air ball, and not an RNG. The RNGs make the system lose because they are actually random in their outcome, and you win exactly the percentage of the time you should in a linear, non-compounding world. Fortunateley for this system, we live in an exponential compounding world, where you only need 23 people in a room or 7 roulette spins to see proof of this fact. My opinion is irrelevant. Facts are not.
But I definitely see where you are coming from, and you are right in the case of RNGs. I promise you there is no wheel bias. Just go try it. Seriously it works.
I know that people think you only win 7/38 or 7/37 times, and that is true for the RNGs. It is not true, however, for a wheel you sit in front of watching some guy spin it with his hand. You can predict that. You don't have to believe me, and likewise, the system doesn't need you to believe it. I am explaining to you how to beat this game, and you are throwing linear math into my exponential problem.
Try it. It works. Stop reiterating the same sentence that past spins don't matter. Of course they matter. If you flip a coin one million times are you really going to say that there was no reason it landed on each side about the same number of times? Come on, guys. The math is there. By the way, I really need that RX scripting, if anyone can help me.

 

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Re: Possible Winning System RX Scripting Help Needed
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2016, 05:37:47 PM »

    Hi Rouke,
                 If you check the system was winning up until that last series of 16 losses and only one win. I realise that we must look to the worst possible result. The question is how often ids such a result liable to occur. The overall loss was very small. If Myles can prove with extensive testing that the losing series was a freak and not likely to recur. He may be able to tweak the play to handle long losing session.

   Hi Myles,
              You seem to be almost there. Don't give up. perhaps look at what the results might be if you bet your unique numbers to 12 spins or even more with a progression.

     Welcome to the forum,
                                           Harry

I'm sorry Harry (and Miles) but no matter how much extensive testing you put into this, it not gonna change that it's a loosing system.

I'm aware, that playing at a live roulette table is different than RNG... But testing with RNG numbers will give a pretty good picture of how your system is doing.

I actually think that you will be better of betting against those 8 numbers... It might be worth it :-)