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kav

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Could you lose intentionally?
« on: February 16, 2016, 01:05:38 PM »
I read recently an argument about roulette being purely a game of chance and no strategy can be applied to influence the results:
"You can not lose intentionally."
If you think about it, it is a smart argument. But it also means that If you can lose intentionally then in principal roulette is winnable too. By being able to lose intentionally we prove that strategy does have an effect on outcomes.

So how would you lose intentionally in roulette?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2016, 01:07:34 PM by kav »


 

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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2016, 02:22:49 PM »
Very easy.  Bet the largest amount possible on the lowest odd's bet; so full bank balance on straight up bets.

If only winning was as easy as losing!!! XD
 

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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2016, 02:59:49 PM »
What if you number comes?!
It's a tricky question. There is no simple answer.
 

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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2016, 03:07:36 PM »
Did James Bond get 17 on the 4th try?  Nobody ever talks about that.

There is still something essentially different about losing versus winning.

The "AP Hive Mind" will simply say that just being able to lose intentionally doesn't affect their point at all and it also doesn't change the fact that you must lose because the game has a negative expectation.

So, the essential question is:  Why must there be a 1:1 correlation between losing intentionally and winning intentionally?
 

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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2016, 03:15:44 PM »
Indeed, winning is harder than losing. And being able to lose does not prove being able to win.
But it proves a very big point, that strategy does have an effect on outcomes, which the naysayers do not accept.

As for the answer to the question, your second answer is better I think. After win on a straight bet keep betting everything on it till it loses. Although even after 3 hits your winning would be enormous already.
 

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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2016, 04:09:07 PM »
Again, channeling Hive Mind, its not that strategy doesn't affect outcomes its that strategy cannot affect the ultimate outcome which is loss because of the house edge and thus the negative expectation.

You ever notice that "bzzzzzzzz" is not much different from "zzzzzzzzzz"?

I mean how easy is it to "plug and play" Hive Mindset?
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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2016, 09:41:39 AM »
If you do not difine a loss than youcan not discus a intentional loss.You can lose a wager, uoy can lose a session or lose your start capital.

A intensional loss is an wager on 37 numbers.
 

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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2016, 01:14:50 PM »
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A intentional loss is an wager on 37 numbers
That's a good idea! Still, you wont be able to lose all your money this way.

Anyway by loss one means" "can you follow a strategy that after a number of spins will most certainly leave you with no capital?
 

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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2016, 01:44:59 PM »
One guaranteed way to be a steady loser is to bet 1 unit on all 37 numbers. You will lose 1 unit every spin.
 

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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2016, 02:04:23 PM »
Wow, ya!  Why not divide your whole balance by 37 and bet that amount?
 

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Re: Could you lose intentionally?
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2016, 05:46:47 PM »
Yes, a great idea, it still can not deplete you bankroll. It will leave you with minimum 36 x min bet.