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Profit Thief
« on: February 13, 2016, 11:23:15 PM »
Just to show what I have been doing the past few days:





Full working version coming soon!

This will be the largest program I have ever written once its done.

Being able to monitor the entire board with every possible bet selection adds much more flexibility to better address the greatest reasonably expected deviation; i.e. the more frequently bets are available, the smaller the bank balance requirement. 

Still working to nail down exactly how much flexibility is gained (splits & S/U effects have yet to be analyzed).  Also need to fix some display requirements (streets, splits & S/U require more space to display than is currently allotted) & add certain helpful functions (like an "action" field that describes the recommended bet(s) with units required).

I have spent hours & days of intense coding and there is quite a bit left to go!
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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2016, 06:13:05 AM »
Well, you will learn a lot on the way finishing it...

Good luck!
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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2016, 05:24:17 PM »
Congratulations,

Your computer program is a great big gambler's fallacy enhancer. 
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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2016, 07:30:23 PM »
Congratulations,

You're computer program is a great big gambler's fallacy enhancer.

*your...
 

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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2016, 12:54:10 PM »
"Profit Thief" !!!
You definitely have a knack for names :-)
 

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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2016, 02:24:34 PM »
Hahaha yes I like to let the creative juices flow! : D

UPDATE:  Has anyone noticed how people keep repeating the phrase: "You never see less than 65 EC appearances in 200 spins"? 

For a long time I have thought that this fact was useless but I have now realized that its not the numbers that matter but the CONCEPT of a minimum appearance of X numbers in Y spins.

This is different than just thinking one-dimensionally about how long certain numbers have been missing as a continuous streak but instead how MUCH they have been missing overall during any possible number of spins as a whole; i.e. an aggregate.

I am currently using the following program to print out every minimum appearance statistic for every grouping of number and spin combination; i.e. from 1 spin to 616 spins for the number groups from 1 to 35:



The total number of (theoretically) possible combinations is 22,176 and the total number of wheel spins to analyze these combinations is 354,816,000,000 (three-hundred fifty-four billion, eight-hundred sixteen million).   A large amount of these combinations will be useless when number groups have 0-1 minimum appearances.

Using this data, which I am calling the Minimum Appearance CanonTM, the comp can monitor every single number and identify when any number grouping has been missing frequently enough to bet on.

I call this:



THE MAC ATTACK!

This uses the full power of a computer to analyze the game of roulette and produce reliable results! : D

This puts a face to the name, "Equal Distribution", bringing this ephemeral phenomenon into the light for all of us to observe!

It answers expectation-oriented questions such as: "After the maximum consecutive miss of a number (or group of numbers), what's the longest it will immediately go missing again?" and "What is the worst streak possible in roulette?"

The foundational concept is: Aggregates are more accessible than streaks.

So far 1 number has been completed with the largest spin cycle of 616.  Halfway through 2 numbers now with a largest spin cycle of 278 -- multiple cycles have already started to show up even with just two numbers!  2 numbers has ended with 11 appearances to 2 (versus a single number) which is quite amazing since its only twice the numbers.  3 numbers have begun and I expect they will have many more cycles as well...

Over halfway though 3 numbers and almost have as many appearances as the full 2 numbers; the more appearances, the more likely to find that vulnerability while playing; the wheel simply will not completely cover all of itself at the same time, it will leave openings and now I have a proven way to discover and exploit them.

3 numbers have completed with 22 appearances which is exactly double that of 2 numbers which again is extremely amazing because once again the higher the number of appearances the more betting opportunities we will have and we are only at 3 numbers so far.

See the compiled Canon below.

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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2016, 10:12:19 PM »
For those of you that are interested in this project and would like to assist, I am sure you can see this is taking quite awhile to compile the data.  If you would like to contribute CPU resources to this project, I can assign you particular numbers to run and then we can simply merge the data at the end to form the Canon.

The more people we can get to assist, the quicker we will compile the necessary data.  Helping consists of running the program continuously for about 24-36 hours per number you wish to compile.

If we can get 3-4 people to help we can get this done in a week instead of a month and a half.  Anyone that helps will be made a co-founder of this strategy.
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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2016, 02:48:39 PM »
Processing Logic For Minimum Appearances

Track all spins until 616 spins are accumulated and perform a rolling 616 history.

Search spin history for each instance of x numbers in y spins, until y spins exceeds the number of recorded spins (if applicable):

EXAMPLE: x is 10 numbers.  First iteration is appearances of 0 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 +7 +8 +9 must be less than y spin requirement.  Second iteration is 0 + 1 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 +7 +8 +9 +10...

Full Iteration Sample

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
0 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
0 1 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
0 1 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
0 1 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
0 1 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
0 1 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
0 1 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
0 1 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
0 1 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
0 1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
0 1 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
0 1 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
0 1 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
0 1 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
0 1 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
0 1 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
0 1 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
0 1 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
0 1 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
0 1 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
0 1 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
0 1 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31
0 1 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
0 1 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33
0 1 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34
0 1 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35
0 1 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36
0 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
0 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
0 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
0 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
0 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
0 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
0 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
0 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
0 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
0 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
0 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
0 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
0 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
0 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
0 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
0 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
0 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
0 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
0 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
0 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
0 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
0 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31
0 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
0 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33
0 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34
0 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35
0 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36


It is apparent that to cover all possible combinations of numbers for analysis, each element in the list must be cycled through sequentially until the second to last digit is reached; so 10 numbers will cycle 0-35 sequentially to cover all combinations.  This creates a problem when say 30 or even 36 numbers must be cycled through sequentially because it is a massive 36 element loop network which is so cumbersome that it is not useful due to the time it takes to cycle through the elements.  If it were only possible to create a virtual loop network...

One logical angle of approach is that only the numbers that are less than the minimum requirement need be considered; so all numbers that have equal or greater appearances than the requirement are not examined.

Maybe an array that contains everything can solve this:

(x,y)

Where x is the numbers 0-36 that tallies each appearance in y spins; +1 for each appearance.  y is the number of spins 1-616.  Only specific results in y need to be sampled around the static minimum requirements; such as, say, a possible 65 appearances in 200 spins of 18 numbers -- if 200 spins is genuinely the demarcation line for 65 appearances, this means that y need not be sampled again until the actual demarcation line for 66 appearances (which may be, say, 225 spins) and need not be sampled previously until the actual demarcation line for 64 appearances (which may be, say, 175 spins).

The minimum requirement for an active number combination is the number itself; e.g. using our previous 18 numbers, 18 numbers must be identified that are lower than the minimum appearance level for the number of spins that are being examined and each number adds to the tally which must also remain lower than the minimum appearance level, or the level is skipped.

Active number combinations are output in the form of each number that is less than the minimum requirement, for visual inspection as: NUMBER,APPEARANCES to contain all eligible numbers.

Maybe the solution is to only work with the maximum number of spins accrued.  So that if we have 100 spins, we only check the numbers 0-36 for the single minimum appearance figure for 100 spins; ultimately all checks this way would eventually end up being for 616 spins.

The combination of only eligible sets of numbers and using only the maximum number of spins accrued should solve this processing issue.

Output highest percentage of "hits" for each number instance for visual tracking.

If instance meets minimum requirement, output:

SET -- [numbers a,b,c etc] [x total appearances] in [y total spins]

Output for each found instance.

NEW IDEA: Instead of processing every possible combination of numbers, why not just sort the list of 37 numbers from lowest appearances to highest and only analyze the lowest numbers?  If the lowest numbers will not work then neither can any other combination of numbers!

Analyze X [lowest] numbers of appearances in Y number of spins.
1 [lowest] in 1 appearance in 616 (skip if not 616- target spins accrued)
2 in 2-11 appearances/target spins (skip if not minimum target spins accrued)
...

1) Sort all numbers from lowest appearances to highest appearances
2) Analyze numbers from 1 to 35, using lowest appearances, against spins
    2a)
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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2016, 10:20:08 PM »
Minimum Appearance Canon (appearances/spins)

NOTE THAT ALL DATA MUST BE CHECKED FOR TWO DEFECTS:

1) PLACING THE DIVIDER BETWEEN APPEARANCES ON THE NUMBER INSTEAD OF AFTER IT

2) NOT RECOGNIZING THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF APPEARANCES AS THE DIVIDER AND THEREFORE NOT PLACING THE NEXT APPEARANCE DIRECTLY BELOW IT (+1)


NOTICE: This manual data compilation is too tedious.  Once the output is complete (on 20 numbers at the time of this last edit), I will write a software to input the raw data and output the processed results automatically.

One Number

2/616

Two Numbers

2/278
3/328
4/365
5/418
6/425
7/468
8/510
9/529
10/575
11/601

Three Numbers

2/185
3/224
4/259
5/264
6/274
7/298
8/343
9/350
10/372
11/384
12/409
13/418
14/434
15/444
16/465
17/493
18/514
19/540
20/562
21/578
22/604

Four Numbers

2/143
3/162
4/186
5/215
6/223
7/238
8/272
9/272
11/290
12/310
13/310
14/324
15/360
16/366
17/372
18/385
19/401
20/435
21/446
22/453
23/465
24/473
25/486
26/503
27/503
28/512
29/542
30/549
31/549
32/549
33/573
34/580
35/607

Five Numbers

2/125
3/139
4/151
5/157
6/177
7/183
8/199
9/211
10/223
11/232
12/241
13/251
14/261
15/268
16/286
17/295
18/307
19/320
20/339
21/339
22/364
23/369
24/379
25/379
26/381
27/401
28/408
29/424
30/437
31/444
32/449
33/464
34/473
35/475
36/475
37/501
38/511
39/511
40/527
41/529
42/533
43/546
44/558
45/573
46/585
47/585
48/605

Six Numbers

2/92
3/123
4/130
5/140
6/157
7/168
8/171
9/174
10/195
11/195
12/208
13/208
14/221
15/221
16/234
17/241
18/251
19/251
20/261
21/277
22/283
23/290
24/297
25/302
26/317
27/330
28/333
29/343
30/354
31/365
32/366
33/390
34/404
35/410
36/426
37/426
38/440
39/454
40/454
41/464
42/464
43/469
44/475
45/480
46/492
47/492
48/500
49/502
50/512
51/519
52/524
53/540
54/548
55/550
56/566
57/572
58/583
59/583
60/588
61/596
62/601

Seven Numbers

2/85
3/88
4/98
5/113
6/122
7/142
8/155
9/155
10/175
11/175
12/184
13/184
14/196
15/203
16/203
17/214
18/214
19/228
20/228
21/236
22/243
23/259
24/263
25/268
26/275
27/279
28/291
29/298
30/300
31/317
32/317
33/318
34/336
35/339
36/347
37/364
38/364
39/369
40/393
41/394
42/401
43/401
44/411
45/426
46/436
47/436
48/451
49/451
50/459
51/459
52/476
53/476
54/482
55/486
56/492
57/498
58/504
59/506
60/536
61/536
62/542
63/542
64/549
65/560
66/569
67/576
68/576
69/589
70/589
71/589
72/600

Eight Numbers

2/68
3/81
4/84
5/100
6/105
7/108
8/119
9/126
10/141
11/142
12/148
13/157
14/161
15/175
16/187
17/188
18/192
19/199
20/209
21/227
22/227
23/227
24/243
25/248
26/252
27/262
28/262
29/270
30/275
31/279
32/285
33/300
34/300
35/304
36/323
37/329
38/329
39/334
40/334
41/348
42/348
43/352
44/355
45/362
46/371
47/373
48/382
49/382
50/383
51/386
52/389
53/400
54/407
55/410
56/415
57/425
58/425
59/426
60/439
61/441
62/456
63/462
64/463
65/463
66/473
67/483
68/488
69/496
70/496
71/503
72/505
73/513
74/515
75/520
76/526
77/533
78/540
79/543
80/549
81/553
82/566
83/574
84/585
85/585
86/590
87/597
88/600
89/604

Nine Numbers

2/71
3/71
4/71
5/88
6/90
7/93
8/103
9/113
10/119
11/127
12/132
13/141
14/145
15/148
16/155
17/163
18/165
19/177
20/193
21/193
22/194
23/199
24/212
25/212
26/212
27/219
28/223
29/233
30/233
31/233
32/238
33/242
34/248
35/258
36/265
37/270
38/278
39/281
40/286
41/288
42/297
43/298
44/309
45/309
46/330
47/334
48/334
49/344
50/349
51/349
52/355
53/355
54/360
55/360
56/363
57/368
58/370
59/383
60/383
61/385
62/392
63/395
64/399
65/409
66/410
67/421
68/424
69/426
70/431
71/439
72/439
73/447
74/450
75/452
76/460
77/464
78/467
79/476
80/481
81/482
82/486
83/492
84/498
85/506
86/512
87/514
88/521
89/527
90/533
91/541
92/541
93/548
94/550
95/556
96/560
97/574
98/577
99/578
100/582
101/586
102/594
103/597
104/605

Ten Numbers

2/58
3/66
4/72
5/77
6/84
7/92
8/100
9/101
10/113
11/113
12/115
13/120
14/130
15/137
16/142
17/152
18/152
19/156
20/165
21/170
22/174
23/189
24/196
25/196
26/196
27/196
28/196
29/212
30/222
31/222
32/222
33/229
34/231
35/231
36/240
37/240
38/244
39/248
40/256
41/258
42/267
43/273
44/281
45/281
46/282
47/297
48/297
49/317
50/317
51/317
52/317
53/340
54/340
55/346
56/346
57/359
58/359
59/359
60/359
61/366
62/370
63/373
64/373
65/383
66/383
67/389
68/391
69/393
70/393
71/400
72/412
73/412
74/412
75/423
76/423
77/423
78/425
79/430
80/439
81/439
82/450
83/450
84/451
85/452
86/457
87/467
88/467
89/472
90/479
91/479
92/483
93/497
94/497
95/497
96/504
97/508
98/514
99/514
100/522
101/529
102/534
103/537
104/546
105/551
106/552
107/554
108/567
109/573
110/573
111/576
112/585
113/585
114/585
115/587
116/588
117/602

Eleven Numbers

2/49
3/63
4/67
5/72
6/72
7/81
8/84
9/89
10/93
11/97
12/104
13/111
14/119
15/120
16/125
17/128
18/135
19/140
20/147
21/155
22/159
23/162
24/162
25/170
26/170
27/177
28/189
29/190
30/202
31/202
32/203
33/210
34/210
35/224
36/224
37/224
38/231
39/234
40/235
41/237
42/242
43/242
44/256
45/256
46/268
47/275
48/275
49/275
50/275
51/276
52/276
53/286
54/288
55/290
56/293
57/301
58/304
59/326
60/326
61/334
62/334
63/334
64/334
65/349
66/349
67/352
68/357
69/357
70/364
71/365
72/365
73/371
74/373
75/384
76/386
77/386
78/386
79/389
80/397
81/405
82/405
83/413
84/420
85/420
86/420
87/421
88/435
89/435
90/435
91/440
92/440
93/442
94/458
95/458
96/458
97/462
98/462
99/464
100/477
101/477
102/479
103/481
104/484
105/491
106/494
107/501
108/501
109/509
110/509
111/515
112/522
113/531
114/531
115/538
116/538
117/547
118/552
119/557
120/557
121/566
122/566
123/573
124/582
125/582
126/583
127/583
128/590
129/596
130/600

Twelve Numbers

2/46
3/50
4/54
5/63
6/67
7/70
8/76
9/79
10/89
11/95
12/106
13/106
14/106
15/111
16/120
17/120
18/129
19/129
20/129
21/137
22/137
23/137
24/143
25/146
26/155
27/156
28/160
29/161
30/171
31/174
32/176
33/191
34/191
35/198
36/203
37/209
38/211
39/211
40/214
41/215
42/217
43/226
44/229
45/233
46/234
47/239

« Last Edit: April 07, 2016, 12:15:09 AM by Reyth »
 

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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2016, 06:57:07 PM »
Best system ive come across. Well spotted, repeat patterns. Pick two columns. Say 1-12 and 25-36. Wait for it to come in. Then when comes in the second bet on 1-12. If miss 25-36. Always cover the 0.
If missed. Then wait til it comes in again. Then the next. So betting on it to come in twice. Once in. Stop. Pick different sections or lines. Works with double columns too. If 1-12. Bet mid and then high. If double middle. 1-12 then 25-36. On double high 25-36, bet first 1-12. Second 13-24. But wait til hits first. Play second. If miss. Wait til comes in again. Then play next one. Most ive gone is 6 misses. I generally let it miss the first round and bet abit bigger from second. Wait til comes in play it next. If donest. Wait again. Then next and so on. Always cover 0. I generally play three patterns at a time. So not waiting long between bets. Watch a certain casinos online will log u out when they know u system. Been doing it for ages.

Play each section with 100 quid. Aim to win 200-250. Then walk away. U will lose 200 a week but iver all ul b up. Over each session.

Bets
First 2quid section or line   1quid 0
Second 5quid etc                  2         0
Third 10quid                            3          0
Fourth 20 quid                        5          0

Ive never gone past this stage. But lost 100 on going to high 2,3,4 bet. So when get confident slight increase bets to winners per day.
 

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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2016, 07:00:21 PM »
I don't mind your post being here and welcome to the forum but would you like your own thread?  I can make that happen...
 

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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2016, 04:39:49 PM »
This just in!

18 in 195 spins: 64
18 in 196 spins: 66
18 in 197 spins: 65
18 in 198 spins: 63
18 in 199 spins: 66
18 in 200 spins: 66

As I have noticed consistently in the past, my RNG models real world results.  It is evidenced here by the red bolded where 66 appearances of 18 numbers is shown to be the minimum.  One thing to note is that these numbers are not taken at face value but are read as a group due to the "shotgun effect" of the random distribution.  The close proximity of the 63 here would indicate that the actual number of minimum appearances for 200 spins would be 64.

Reading over this post impresses more deeply upon my mind the usefulness of a loss distribution chart showing the percentage chances of hitting the minimum for each level.  This will make it much easier to craft an intelligent strategy by objectively identifying the "sweet spots" that will yield the most probable results.

UPDATE:  Taking all relevant data into account, the system is showing EXACTLY 65 as the minimum appearance for 18 numbers in 200 spins! *\:D/*
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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2016, 07:16:30 PM »
The Canon is now fully complete.  Its amazing that it took 3.5 months!

I am manually pruning the data to eliminate any apparent leaks.
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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2016, 07:05:40 AM »
Roughly how many hours of your time have you dedicated to this?
 

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Re: Profit Thief
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2016, 09:10:09 AM »
Keep in mind,

An 18 number 65 minimum, and therefore an 18 number 135 maximum are both relatively easy to profit from with the right system.

However, problems can arise when using such a system if the results are closer to 100/100.

From my experience if results are almost exactly 100/100 then such a system can also profit, but when results show slight to moderate disparity, then such a system can fail.

It is impossibly difficult to expect any focused system to profit from every scenario…

Don’t you just love it!!
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