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#### Real

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##### Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« on: February 04, 2016, 11:07:24 PM »

Playing the game, changes the game.  This means that if you take a break to use the bathroom and your number hits while you're away... that you may not have won had you stayed to play.

Had you stayed...the dealer may have taken more time before spinning the ball.  If there's more time before you bet, then more of the wheel will have spun by before the dealer launched the ball.  This means the physical alignment of the ball on the track and the wheel speed will likely have been different enough to have generated a completely different outcome.  If you had stayed to play, then the chance of you winning on that winning number, straight up, was still only 1/38.

If you want to go to a deeper level, then you could theoretically argue that quantum mechanics even proves that simply observing an event is enough to change it.  However...it sounds absurd mentioning quantum mechanics in a roulette thread.   Now I will have to go and ridicule myself for even having mentioned it.

If you had a time machine, and you could travel to the past, then you'd still likely change the outcome because you were at the table instead of in the bathroom...again changing the playing conditions and observing the event.

Everyone that plays must overcome the "would of bet that number but missed it" syndrome.  This leads people into betting more and more numbers at every spin, and doing silly stuff like hedging the outside bets by betting on the zeros.  Let go, use logic, and don't get upset if "your numbers" hit when you're not on them.

Don't bet on so many numbers.  Overtime you're more likely to still be a winner if you bet on fewer numbers.  In order to bet on fewer numbers you have to beat the syndrome above.

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2016, 11:26:33 PM »
I bet only one number for your information, not feeling insecure but confidence.

1 number straight up, not splits, nor corners because I want to get paid full odds!

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2016, 11:29:33 PM »
Good for you.  Now go set in the corner, because you're probably still doing something wrong!

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2016, 11:32:45 PM »
Good for you.  Now go set in the corner, because you're probably still doing something wrong!

Excuse me??

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2016, 11:46:13 PM »
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Playing the game, changes the game.
Real, where I that readied long time ago, oh bad mine memory  ...

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 03:19:43 AM »
I can assure you all that playing the game after consuming 5 or more cups of brewed cactus juice definitely changes the game.

I'd be happy to demonstrate if anyone's interested..

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 04:56:08 AM »
I'm sure it does.

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2016, 11:22:54 AM »
real u funny f

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 06:17:39 PM »
In a airball roulette, where the spin is set and goes auto, spinning every 50 seconds, no matter how many people are at the table, betting on their little screen without knowing each other pattern or style, does my presence change the outcomes?

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2016, 06:25:35 PM »
Sometimes casino restaurant food is kind of rich and I find myself breaking wind!

Certainly this affects the game?

HINT:  I think we can use physics with this one too ; )

BONUS:  This gives a whole new meaning to "airball" X D
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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2016, 06:54:09 PM »
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In a airball roulette, where the spin is set and goes auto, spinning every 50 seconds, no matter how many people are at the table, betting on their little screen without knowing each other pattern or style, does my presence change the outcomes?-Dr. Talos

Actually, yes.  Some of the machines have a changing algo that will increase the number of high speed rotors and increase the variability of the rotor.

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2016, 10:57:15 PM »
Makes no sense.
If roulette is a random game, what's the meaning of changing a random element of it accordingly to the people playing.
If the wheel is biased, and the outcome already determined by the overall betting, what's the meaning of this change you are talking about?
I wonder what kind of answer you whould have give if someone stated what you wrote in your last post.

I respect your "knowledge" of math and the game, I absolutely do not like your attitude, and your way to consider a fool everyone is not on your side.
Remember me of Aristoteles, who said that women had fewer teeth than men, as natural proof of being lesser individuals, and despite he has been married twice, never asked to one of them to open the mouth to allow him to count their teeth...

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2016, 11:19:58 PM »

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Makes no sense.
If roulette is a random game, what's the meaning of changing a random element of it accordingly to the people playing.
If the wheel is biased, and the outcome already determined by the overall betting, what's the meaning of this change you are talking about?
I wonder what kind of answer you whould have give if someone stated what you wrote in your last post.
The physics on the live wheel play a part in which number will hit.  An observer can theoretically reassemble these physics in order to predict.  A change in playing conditions is enough to change the outcome.  That's the point of my post.  And as I have said, theoretically just observing the event is enough to potentially change what the outcome would have been had you not observed it.
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I respect your "knowledge" of math and the game, I absolutely do not like your attitude, and your way to consider a fool everyone is not on your side.

No I only consider the people that do the same thing over and over while expecting a different outcome to be fools. System play on the random game has long been proven to be a fool's folly.  Ignoring history, the experts, and mathematicians is foolish.

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##### Re: Playing The Game Changes The Game.
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2016, 08:52:23 AM »
I agree with DrTalos, it makes no sense. It's correct to say that had you not been at the table, the dealer might have spun the ball differently which may have resulted in a different outcome, but you are no wiser what the outcome is going to be in either case, unless you're talking about dealer signature. And what if you're playing an airball machine? it makes no difference whether you're there or not, and to compare roulette with quantum physics is just silly.