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TheGenner

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Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« on: January 17, 2016, 07:32:51 PM »
I noticed Blue Angel was kind enough to put up some figures relating to the longest absences for numbers, splits, streets, corners, lines, dozens and columns. In the book 'The Future Gambler' written by L.G. Holloway, he explained how he made a 'gap book' using 100,000 roulette numbers. Each number was tabulated in terms of the gap figure between hits. He went on to explain how this put things into a new perspective for himself.

He said...''Through this kind of work, one is able to learn the true value of patterns and to avoid being tricked by coincidence. By plotting graphs from the totals of each approach, we can determine the peak of each cycle-when to get in and when to get out.''

I have 40,000 spins for the double 00 wheel. So I will spend some time working through these numbers and see what happens with the gaps in the dozens and columns. I will do them in blocks of 1,250 spins which will give 32 separate charts and then I will put all the results together.

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2016, 09:01:00 PM »
This will take a few weeks to complete as I do a bit at a time. Doing it by hand is time consuming but it allows me to think about the whole thing as I go along which I prefer.

First block of 1,250 numbers.

Dozen 1.

Gaps of 1 (meaning a repeat) 127.
Gaps of 2 = 81.
Gaps of 3 = 58.
Gaps of 4 = 43.
Gaps of 5 = 27.
Gaps of 6 = 20.
Gaps of 7 = 12.
Gaps of 8 = 4.
Gaps of 9 = 10.
Gaps of 10 = 4.
Gaps of 11 = 2.
Gaps of 12 = 2.
Gaps of 13 = 1.
Gap of 17 = 1.
Gap of 22 = 1.

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2016, 10:16:47 PM »
First block of 1,250 numbers.

Dozen 2.

Gaps of 1 = 118.
Gaps of 2 = 83.
Gaps of 3 = 61.
Gaps of 4 = 40.
Gaps of 5 = 27.
Gaps of 6 = 25.
Gaps of 7 = 11.
Gaps of 8 = 4.
Gaps of 9 = 3.
Gaps of 10 = 6.
Gaps of 11 = 2.
Gaps of 12 = 1.
Gaps of 13 = 2.
Gaps of 14 = 2.
Gaps of 15 = 2.

 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2016, 11:03:29 PM »
This is great I have just gone through 14 days on spielbank wiesbaden looking at ecs concluded that after 7 misses be it red even any of six even distribution starts to become 60/40 and better making this a good starting point for progressions on the 7 8 and 9  misses any more and u might be waiting till Christmas
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2016, 11:36:51 PM »
Hello Spins, yes, as long as you use all three groups of even chances or in this case, all dozens and columns, otherwise like you say, it could be a long time waiting for a bet.

First block of 1,250 numbers.

Dozen 3.

Gaps of 1 = 124.
Gaps of 2 = 92.
Gaps of 3 = 68.
Gaps of 4 = 42.
Gaps of 5 = 26.
Gaps of 6 = 24.
Gaps of 7 = 12.
Gaps of 8 = 11.
Gaps of 9 = 5.
Gaps of 10 = 4.
Gaps of 11 = 1.
Gaps of 12 = 1.
Gaps of 13 = 2.
Gaps of 14 = 1.
Gaps of 15 = 1.

I will do the columns for the first block of 1,250 spins tomorrow.
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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2016, 11:43:04 PM »
I'm attaching my statistics which also you can find them on the longest.

 (Statistic analysis for more than 10 million results from single zero)
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2016, 11:55:45 PM »
Thanks Blue Angel.

My playing experience and testing has taught me that things don't often go 3 times over their expected appearance. A dozen/column should average a hit every 3 spins. So I think the best way personally would be to wait for 9 misses and then hit it for a few spins. If it still doesn't appear, then there is a chance that it's going to be one of those long sleepers that you don't really want to be chasing.
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2016, 12:26:07 AM »
Thanks Blue Angel.

My playing experience and testing has taught me that things don't often go 3 times over their expected appearance. A dozen/column should average a hit every 3 spins. So I think the best way personally would be to wait for 9 misses and then hit it for a few spins. If it still doesn't appear, then there is a chance that it's going to be one of those long sleepers that you don't really want to be chasing.

If I had to bet dozens and/or columns I'd have used another approach if you asked me.

If you wait till it's gone for 9 spins, then there is a good chance to keep on missing, how long? I don't know!

It would make more sense in my perspective to bet AFTER awaked from a relative long sleep.

Yet again, I'd back it till a certain point (hits/spins ratio) NOT indefinetaly.

My first choice would be to find streaks, regarding probability a dozen and/or column has 1 in 3 chance to hit, 2 times in a row is three times less 1 out of 9 times, but if we are looking for twice in a row of any dozen it becomes 1 out of 3.
If there are "sleeping" dozens,it's because another hits more than its probability, so while waiting for another to wake up, you could get advantage of some streaks.
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2016, 01:36:55 AM »

My playing experience and testing has taught me that things don't often go 3 times over their expected appearance. A dozen/column should average a hit every 3 spins. So I think the best way personally would be to wait for 9 misses and then hit it for a few spins. If it still doesn't appear, then there is a chance that it's going to be one of those long sleepers that you don't really want to be chasing.
This is true for every group. It is the solid foundation needed,  to build systems that exploit what is missing.
But a lot of homework is required. You need to have an idea as to what the optimum length of a streak is before it's interrupted, (most of the time), and the anticipated result shows up. It can't be too long to save time. And it can't be too short, to overpower the bets that will follow.
Just optimum. A little homework can determine that with excellent statistical accuracy.
Then you need to research for the ideal number of spins that guarantee positive results the majority of the time. You don't need a long progression with its perils. And it can't be too short a progression, that it is unrealistic to succeed. It has to be just right. We call that the "the most frequent winning range".
It is far more important to know the most suitable length of a streak, before it discontinues, than knowing the extreme length a streak can reach.
Then the size of the Bank Roll  has to be taken into account too. Waiting for 9 missing spins for a dozen and betting with $1 after that, won't be very productive. Too long wait for the benefit you will get. Maybe it has to be scaled down to 4 or 5 misses.
But for the player who bets with $50 and $100 chips, the wait for a long streak is well worth it. Big benefits, with higher certainty.
And last but not least is the use of virtual losses. That is an option that you can use , if you are the patient type.
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2016, 03:21:22 AM »
Good post pale this is exactly what I'm looking for I am the patient type but I also have a two hour drive to the nearest casino  the good thing in this casino there is rng wheels two together on large screens and on your playing screen u can change from one to the other so theres a spin every 15 seconds plenty of triggers a seat and screen to yourself   
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2016, 12:22:07 AM »
Good post pale this is exactly what I'm looking for I am the patient type but I also have a two hour drive to the nearest casino  the good thing in this casino there is rng wheels two together on large screens and on your playing screen u can change from one to the other so theres a spin every 15 seconds plenty of triggers a seat and screen to yourself
That's another serious problem, that I find it affects the game.
A long ride to get to a casino is counterproductive. Not so much the going in, but the coming back. 
There is always the thought that if you lose, coming back is a ride to hell. Knowing that you have to repeat the same round trip, not to win but to get all or some of the lost money back.
I have to drive about an hour in a half, and unless I am in perfect shape, sometimes I don't play after I get there. I dread the return trip. Being tired, hungry, or stuffed affects the way you play.
Being close to a casino is a huge bonus. That's where it feels like you are going to and from work.
There is so much to playing roulette, besides having a good system.
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2016, 12:37:43 AM »
Good post pale this is exactly what I'm looking for I am the patient type but I also have a two hour drive to the nearest casino  the good thing in this casino there is rng wheels two together on large screens and on your playing screen u can change from one to the other so theres a spin every 15 seconds plenty of triggers a seat and screen to yourself
That's another serious problem, that I find it affects the game.
A long ride to get to a casino is counterproductive. Not so much the going in, but the coming back. 
There is always the thought that if you lose, coming back is a ride to hell. Knowing that you have to repeat the same round trip, not to win but to get all or some of the lost money back.
I have to drive about an hour in a half, and unless I am in perfect shape, sometimes I don't play after I get there. I dread the return trip. Being tired, hungry, or stuffed affects the way you play.
Being close to a casino is a huge bonus. That's where it feels like you are going to and from work.
There is so much to playing roulette, besides having a good system.

That's why there are a plethora of online casinos.
Bodog for example accepts all US players.
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2016, 12:44:07 AM »
Thanks Blue Angel.

My playing experience and testing has taught me that things don't often go 3 times over their expected appearance. A dozen/column should average a hit every 3 spins. So I think the best way personally would be to wait for 9 misses and then hit it for a few spins. If it still doesn't appear, then there is a chance that it's going to be one of those long sleepers that you don't really want to be chasing.

I don't understand the 9 spin delay philosophy, is this working like wake up call for all sleepers on exactly 9 o'clock?!
Why not to ''wake up on 5th or 16th spin, on 9th is already delayed and most likely it will continue to be so.
That's only how I see this.
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2016, 01:21:46 AM »
Can u trust online casinos blue have u consistently won with online casinos I seem to think there far to easy to rig bit like a pokie machine unless u are playing a live wheel of course
 

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Re: Gaps in the Dozens and Columns
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2016, 01:44:52 AM »
Can u trust online casinos blue have u consistently won with online casinos I seem to think there far to easy to rig bit like a pokie machine unless u are playing a live wheel of course

Mostly it doesn't have to do with ''live'' or ''RNG'', but with their owners...
Of course brick and mortar casinos are an overall different experience than the online casinos, some prefer the former while others the later category, all of them have their reasons.

As about the fairness,like I said,it's not about the casino type, but from late 90's there was a big wave of online casinos coming out of the blue, apparently became easier for some to establish a casino and from the many a few (minority) adapted unfair tactics...

The same could happen at brick and mortar casinos, but since to own or build from the scratch a new casino is not as easy as the online process, there were much less ''dirty'' B&M casinos.

It has to do with the operations' difference and mostly about the ownership.
Especially well established casinos which have create a ''name'' throughout many years,or even decades, it's not in their best interest to apply unfair tactics and they know it better than anyone.