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Reyth

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Flower Power
« on: January 13, 2016, 04:33:58 AM »
                         

This system is the fruit of the following rumination of mine:

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What system can I create that will make me as much money as possible as quickly as possible without busting out?

This is what I came up with.  I freely admit it was designed out of desperation in a gaming environment where a single dollar is like a single penny and starting out with only $500 makes it pretty hard to build your balance into the millions which is required to properly play the game.

Initial tests show that the "petals" which are the 4 splits surrounding the center number will tend to pay for the progression at 14 units each until the center number comes in and that pays 68 units.

The progression is the familiar 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2 etc.  If once the "flower" hits and you are not in profit, double the progression so start 2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4 etc.

The bankroll requirement is 2620 units and so far that has held for me.

Thats as far as I have been able to go as I need to sleep now.  This pays REALLY large and FAST.
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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2016, 04:35:56 AM »
interesting thanks for test's
 

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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2016, 07:15:05 AM »
Fun little game, thanks. I pretty much went no where though. I would go from 1000 units up to 1200 units quickly and eventually grind down to 1000 again.
 

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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2016, 12:55:52 PM »
I have been going steadily up in the following pattern:

WIN-DIRECT PROFIT, WIN-DIRECT PROFIT, WIN-LOSS, WIN-LOSS, WIN-DIRECT PROFIT, WIN-DIRECT PROFIT etc.

1) Raise 1 unit every 8 bets
2) Keep going if a petal hits
3) Start over when the flower hits
4) Increase the progression after the flower hits and you are not in profit:

1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2 etc
2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4 etc
3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6 etc

I suspect you are starting over when a petal hits?

This system is the combination of up as you lose AND up as you win.  It is approaching a "self-sustainable" progression system model.  One of the nice things about this system is that expectation is a hit every 8 bets.

This bet selection is not new but those that use it tend to do the following:

1) Bet more chip piles than just 4
2) Raise every bet or every other bet

And therefore they reach an unsustainable position relatively rapidly and bust out relatively soon. 

Don't get me wrong, I cannot vouch for the safety of this system yet.  I am just saying that preliminary tests have worked for me to increase the rapidity at which I earn money.
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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2016, 02:42:30 PM »
Thats true. I was starting over when I hit anything. I will have to give this a good testing when I get into work in a couple hours. Thanks!
 

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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2016, 08:36:32 PM »
Ok this thing handles VERY large draw downs and recovers very quickly BUT as usual, variance always has the upper hand and so some kind of stop loss must be instituted. 

I think for starters, when a petal hits we will need to restart the 8 bet counter to 1.  Maybe at some point we can try a mirror modification too.
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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2016, 09:03:02 PM »
Now I understand!!!

HOLY COW!!!! 1000 units starting, and Im now at 2420 units in 15 minutes.
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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2016, 09:16:01 PM »
LOL.  Yes it pays very well but now we must properly manage the risk too.  For now I am simply lowering the 8 bet counter to 1 every single time a petal hits.  Maybe a mirror will help if that will not be enough...

Ok moving the counter down isn't enough to overcome the variance.  The only way is to bend with the variance and wait for it to clear by lowering the counter but increasing the incline for recovery.There has to be come kind of way to determine a stop loss but I haven't figured it out yet...

Ok for the first level based on a 2620 unit bank balance, I think the stop loss should be 70% of the last highest balance.  We just track the highest balance each time we win.The problem now is what happens with the recovery phase and how are those balances tracked.  I don't know yet...
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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2016, 05:31:14 PM »
Ok great idea to further strengthen the progression!

Mini-Sessions

This is where (in the spirit of Project 202) we divide our session into mini-sessions of 8 spins each.  At the beginning of our session we note our balance.  After each 8 spin sequence, we note our balance again.  If our balance meets or exceeds the balance from the previous 8 spin mini-session, we lower the chip levels 1 unit.

This will now allow for chip lowering which will increase the win rate because the length of the progression is increased and the incline decreased. 
 

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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2016, 06:50:00 PM »
Reyth... I have been playing this the last few days. Its easy to remember and its fun too.

However! As with any system I try online.... I do very well. But then, when I send some money to play for real, I lose. It has become evident that online casinos change their house percentage... or flat out take money eventually. Because most decent systems always do well on free play.

For example on free play... i win i win i win. When I play for money (its not much $10-$20 usd).... twice now I have gone 24x or more without hitting any petals!
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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2016, 07:05:44 PM »
Right.  I wouldn't play this for real money myself yet, simply because I have not yet put "raster beam to pixel" on it.  I WOULD and plan to, play Bullseye for real money though.

Until we computer simulate, we don't really know what the odds are and what is statistically possible and what we can reasonably expect.

Right now though, this latest modification (mini-sessions) has added strength to the process.  If you apply the 70% stop loss, regroup and increase the progression incline, you can recover your previous losses?

Sorry over your loss. : (

I have recently come up with the formula for the stop loss in successive sessions.  Its 70% of your original balance * the recovery level you are on.  This is all tentative based on further testing etc.
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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2016, 07:44:56 PM »
Right.  I wouldn't play this for real money myself yet, simply because I have not yet put "raster beam to pixel" on it.  I WOULD and plan to, play Bullseye for real money though.

Until we computer simulate, we don't really know what the odds are and what is statistically possible and what we can reasonably expect.

Right now though, this latest modification (mini-sessions) has added strength to the process.  If you apply the 70% stop loss, regroup and increase the progression incline, you can recover your previous losses?

Sorry over your loss. : (

I have recently come up with the formula for the stop loss in successive sessions.  Its 70% of your original balance * the recovery level you are on.  This is all tentative based on further testing etc.

Interesting thanks. No worries on the loss! I think I am just proving the online casinos are rigged.
 

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Re: Flower Power
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2016, 08:02:42 PM »
See this is why I have the rule of computer testing before ever playing for real money.  I need to be CERTAIN of what the odds really are before I hit the tables.  I have no problem accepting losses within proper statistical bounds but I am there with real money because I know how statistically rare it is that I will do so.  We can replace fear and dread with confidence and relative certainty.

Here is an example of the self-sufficient capability of this betting system:



After 42 spins of the wheel, the chip stack returns from 4 units to 2, HOWEVER notice the percentage chance of hitting?  Instead of 19.69%, its 68.35%! 

You can see debt recovery beginning at  170,108 and proceeding down each mini-session to the chip stack of 4 units at 160,508.

This Power Looping (TM) you don't see the "Flower YouTubers" doing at all; they just over-bet the felt and raise every spin which is aggressively courting disaster.

The flower hit 27 spins later for a new all-time high and a gain of about 50 units.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3mh1uc_flower-power_videogames

The flower going missing for 211+ spins reveals the need to change the balance to 5240.  Hopefully things can be made more efficient, like for instance, raising the required 70% level 1 stop loss which will lower the balance required amount.
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