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american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« on: January 02, 2016, 11:02:46 AM »
recently i ve read that a guy back in 93 found a way to beat american wheel based on wheels anomalies [columns] ,of iam not expected to know what exactly he did [probably you dont even know] , but watching carefully in american wheel layout could find intersting facts that u cant find em in european wheel .


 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2016, 12:07:56 PM »
recently i ve read that a guy back in 93 found a way to beat american wheel based on wheels anomalies [columns] ,of iam not expected to know what exactly he did [probably you dont even know] , but watching carefully in american wheel layout could find intersting facts that u cant find em in european wheel .

I'm not so familiar with the American wheel but Palestis is and when we met he told me that you could cover a long continious sector of numbers in the wheel by betting 2 columns or 2 dozens or 1 column and 1 dozen.
I don't remember very well what was the bet, but perhaps Palestis could give as a helping hand here.
Or you could upload here an American wheel layout to study and find it.
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2016, 12:26:13 PM »
rouletteforum-cc' american wheel column betting' , betselection-cc' american wheel ' 2013.
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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2016, 12:32:25 PM »
If you bet 1st and 3rd columns you cover 8 continuous numbers on the first part plus 11 continuous numbers on the second part and there are 5 scattered numbers around the American wheel for a total of 24 numbers.
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2016, 12:35:28 PM »
it seems like u need a kind of AP play to beat that wheel !
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2016, 12:43:21 PM »
from the first glance it seemed to me impossible that we cant find a winning strategy based on wheel s layout ,even with the double zero disavantage !
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2016, 01:58:56 PM »
A strong system based on the American wheel can be applied by betting:

40 $ on 1st column
40 $ on 3rd column
40 $ on 3rd dozen
60 $ on low
6   $ on each: 0,00,20,23

There are 4 chances to win (6 x 36) 216 - 204 = +12
There are 20 possibilities to win (2 x 60 + 3 x 40 OR 3 x 40 + 3 x 40) 240 - 204 = +36
There are 14 possibilities to lose (2 x 60 OR 3 x 40) 120 - 204 = -84

Since the total number of winning opportunities are almost double than the losing ones, we could use this proportion in our favor.
After a losing result increase proportionally all the bets with each and every successive spin till you recover and be on the positive again.
Let me show you an example;

Say you lost 84 bucks regardless of which number, you increase the columns and dozen by 40 bucks each, increase the low by 60 bucks, increase 0,00,20,23 by 6 each.

80 $ on 1st column
80 $ on 3rd column
80 $ on 3rd dozen
120 $ on low
12   $ on each: 0,00,20,23

If you lose again before you fully recover, raise bets like this:

120 $ on 1st column
120 $ on 3rd column
120 $ on 3rd dozen
180 $ on low
18   $ on each: 0,00,20,23

By keeping the proportionally betting schedule even the worst variance could not last for long because you are covering large continuous sectors of the wheel.
The 1st + 3rd columns are covering 11 continuous numbers from 1 side and 8 continuous numbers from the other side of the wheel.
While the combination of Low and 3rd dozen starts when the columns stop for 9 continuous around 0 and another 9 continuous around the 00.
Therefore the losses will be here and there, rare and far from each other.
I believe by covering so many numbers the variance could be reduced effectively in combination with a short progression.

Yes, winning could become a formality but this could result in no excitment after plenty of winning sessions.
I guess that this is preferable than losing sessions.
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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2016, 02:30:45 PM »
Just a correction, there are 14 instead of 12 losing numbers, those numbers are:

2,5,8,11,14,17,19,21,22,24,26,29,32,35

Reyth, I know you are watching, could you test it with a simulation?
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2016, 03:43:12 PM »
Wow thanks for asking.  I have never done an American wheel simulation but ya, I can write up the code and generate an output file of 100 sessions.
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2016, 03:53:04 PM »
Wow thanks for asking.  I have never done an American wheel simulation but ya, I can write up the code and generate an output file of 100 sessions.

Thanks!
BTW, what do you think?
Is it like betting 2 columns for example?
If yes, then it could be just the 1st and 3rd column only, it would be same, better or worst?
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2016, 04:04:47 PM »
Ok, I will tell you my opinion before I run the simulation.

I think the progression will work the vast majority of the time BUT variance will win the day as the progression will become too expensive to maintain.

My personal opinion is that a "Carsch Star-like" debt recovery system will be needed to have the necessary flexibility to withstand the worst variance.  I don't know if such a structure would be practical due to the high expense of this system...?

Anyway, I will write up the code now. : D
« Last Edit: January 02, 2016, 04:06:21 PM by Reyth »
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2016, 04:18:51 PM »
Hey, can you do me a favor and list the numbers contained in each of your bet selections; i.e. those numbers that would generate a win in each category?  Thanks, this will make my job much easier. : D
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2016, 04:25:38 PM »
Hey, can you do me a favor and list the numbers contained in each of your bet selections; i.e. those numbers that would generate a win in each category?  Thanks, this will make my job much easier. : D

Net profit of 12 : 0,00,20,23 (4 numbers)

Net profit of 36 : 1,3,4,6,7,9,10,12,13,15,16,18,25,27,28,30,31,33,34,36 (20 numbers)


Loss of 84 : 2,5,8,11,14,17,19,21,22,24,26,29,32,35 (14 numbers)
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2016, 04:30:00 PM »
Ok coding this up now.  Thanks. : )

Cooking...

Code: [Select]
5 DIM ld(20)
10 RANDOMIZE TIMER
20 r = INT(RND * 38) ' 0 is 0, 37 is 00
30 IF r = 0 OR r = 37 OR r = 20 OR r = 23 THEN 80 '4 number selection
40 IF r = 1 OR r = 3 OR r = 4 OR r = 6 OR r = 7 OR r = 9 OR r = 10 OR r = 12 OR r = 13 OR r = 15 THEN 110 '20 number selection
50 IF r = 16 OR r = 18 OR r = 25 OR r = 27 OR r = 28 OR r = 30 OR r = 31 OR r = 33 OR r = 34 OR r = 36 THEN 110 '20 number selection

60 'miss
70 l = l + 1: ls = ls + 1: GOTO 20

80 ' 4 number selection
90 w4 = w4 + 1: GOSUB 1000 'loss streak management
100 GOTO 140 'output

110 '20 number selection
120 w20 = w20 + 1: GOSUB 1000 'loss streak management
130 GOTO 140 'output

140 'output
150 LOCATE 1, 1: PRINT "Wins:"; w4 + w20
160 PRINT "Losses:"; l
170 PRINT "Loss Streaks:"; ml
180 FOR i = 1 TO 20
190 PRINT ld(i);: NEXT i
200 IF w4 + w20 >= 16000000 THEN END
210 GOTO 20

1000 'loss streak management
1010 IF ml < ls THEN ml = ls
1015 ld(ls) = ld(ls) + 1
1020 ls = 0: RETURN



Your win rate is 63.16%.  Practically speaking, we can discount loss streaks 17,15 & 14, you WILL have to deal with a loss streak of 13 in normal session play (obviously rare but expected over prolonged periods); this sort of thing is negotiable -- to find the odds of a loss streak occurring, add up the total of all streaks in the output and then add up each loss streak up to the one you wish to get stats on and then divide that total by the overall total number output which will generate a percentage which can then be expressed in odds.

I would assume that your progression will not withstand 13 hits in a row and thus a more complicated loss recovery system will be required?

Btw, why does this work better on an American wheel again?
« Last Edit: January 02, 2016, 05:03:39 PM by Reyth »
 

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Re: american wheel layout , columns bet flaw?
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2016, 11:56:52 PM »
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Btw, why does this work better on an American wheel again?

Does it? Why not try it on the French wheel and see.