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scepticus

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TRENDS
« on: November 11, 2015, 09:09:25 PM »
TRENDS
I don't have the patience to research the possibility that TRENDS may be of help in playing  roulette. I am interested in ideas so would be interested if anyone  has an idea of how Trends can help in playing roulette.
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Re: TRENDS
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 11:55:44 PM »
TRENDS
I don't have the patience to research the possibility that TRENDS may be of help in playing  roulette. I am interested in ideas so would be interested if anyone  has an idea of how Trends can help in playing roulette.
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Scep
TRENDS are not just helpful to play roulette. It is an excellent way to win.
In the simpler form, you observe what has "frequent appearances". More  than their statistical share. In the picture it is clear that Black is the predominant color in the first column.
The first 5 black in a row doesn't necessarily indicate  a trend in black. it could be a coincidence.
But as you can see it kept going and going strong after the 4 red. That gives me an indication that there is a trend in black. From that point on there are two schools of thought. The conservative way (the way I play), and the greedy way. All I am looking for is for one more black to show up. And I bet on that. As you can see  it did. The cycle is over and I'll wait for another trend and  do the same. The greedy way to is to catch many as blacks as you can get your hands on. In this case it would've worked. In other cases it would've not.
Also in the first column the Even numbers were in trend. And they kept showing up. Again one hit would be enough for me.
You can also observe for trends in doz./col. DS's or a group of 3 streets. (single streets can be tricky).
The logic behind trends is, whatever appears frequently and in regular intervals, cannot suddenly fall out of the sky and disappear. Sometimes it does. Though rarely.
But don't aim to catch the wave. Be happy with one hit and abandon the cycle.  Trends are great to bet heavy. Two hits and go home.

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Re: TRENDS
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2015, 01:13:10 AM »
I can understand  that trends can be profitable Palestis but it's the WHEN that is the problem.WHEN to START and WHEN to STOP.
You note a trend but don't really say how long a sequence must be before you can see a trend . After any  5 in a row ?
Or after it's statistical share ? So far as I understand it Dobbelsteen works in 50 spin sequences to determine an imbalance . Sequences are easy to find AFTER the event but difficult to anticipate. That you win is admirable but 2  wins and go home is not for me. As for  betting  HEAVY ? ME bet heavy ?
As you  bet progressively how high is your table loss limit ? No need to answer if you don't want to give away your strategy . I am thinking about your risk profile here.
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2015, 07:43:24 AM »
I have had very good success betting trends with the EC's.

I start betting when an EC trend reaches a certain point and I keep betting that EC until another EC takes over then I bet that EC until another one takes over.

So for me the trend is never actually over, it is just replaced by another.

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Re: TRENDS
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2015, 10:25:03 AM »
@Trilobite

What indicator do you use to realise that you need to switch between EC's?

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Re: TRENDS
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2015, 04:13:12 PM »
@Trilobite

What indicator do you use to realise that you need to switch between EC's?
This is my question too  , sainter. " WHEN " is the key.

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2015, 08:33:10 PM »
Chart a row for red and a row for black:

R          B

After each spin put an X under R or B:

R          B
X          X

Continue to put an X under R or B until R has 4X’s and B has 3 or less X’s:

R          B
X          X
X          X
X
X

From here, each time red shows put an X under R and strike out the first X for R & B. This way there will only ever be 4X’s under R:

R          B
X          X
X          X
X
X
X

Continue to put an X under R or B striking out the first rows each time red shows until B catches up and they both have 4 X's:

R          B
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X

Now that both R & B are equal with 4 X’s strike out the first row:

R          B
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X

If black shows next we have the switch and each time black has 4 X’s while red has 3 or less we can bet on black.

R          B
X          X
X          X
X          X
X

From here, each time black shows put an X under B and strike out the first X for R & B. This way there will only ever be 4X’s under B and we can continue to bet black until red catches up which could result in a switch to red if you want.

R          B
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X
X

This is a simple bet/switch formula that can be a very effective foundation for an EC system.
Of course you can add in all the EC’s for more action and complexity. In fact I recommend it because when tracking all the EC's this method can really pin point a strong dominance.

You could play around with the length of the rows, but from my research this length is ideal.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2015, 08:46:12 PM by Trilobite »

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Re: TRENDS
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2015, 10:25:36 PM »
So you rely on an even spread  of four of each ?
How long does it take - on average - to start betting ?

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2015, 11:13:34 PM »
Can you explain this section for me.

"Continue to put an X under R or B striking out the first rows each time red shows until B catches up and they both have 4 X's:"

How can they both have 4 X's?

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2015, 07:54:51 AM »
Sorry,
I posted this in Sainter's thread with the context being 'a switch between red and black' so it doesn't really explain properly.

I will modify the post and repost it so it's clearer.

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2015, 08:25:20 AM »
For this explanation I will only mention red and black. In real play you would include all the EC’s.

Chart a row for red and a row for black:

R          B

After each spin put an X under R or B:

R          B
X          X

Continue to put an X under R or B until either R or B has 4X’s and the other has 3 or less X’s:

R          B
X          X
X          X
X
X

At this point R has 4X's. I now place a bet on red. From here, if red shows again put an X under R and strike out the first row. This way there will only ever be 4X’s under R:

R          B
X          X
X          X
X
X
X

Continue to bet on red and put an X under R or B only striking out the first rows each time red shows until B catches up and they both have 4 X's:

R          B
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X

Now that both R & B are equal with 4 X’s neither has any dominance so the betting is ceased. Strike out the first row so that R & B each have 3 X’s:

R          B
X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X

Whichever shows next is the bet because it has 4 X’s. Let’s say black shows.

R          B
X          X
X          X
X          X
X

At this point B has 4X's. I now place a bet on black. From here, if black shows again put an X under B and strike out the first row. This way there will only ever be 4X’s under B:

R          B

X          X
X          X
X          X
X          X
X

If red shows again we are back to 4X’s each so the betting is ceased and we strike out the first row and wait for the next result:

R          B
X          X
X          X

X          X
X          X

At the start of a session betting can commence from as little as 4 spins, and usually within 9 spins.

This is a simple bet/switch formula that is a very effective foundation for a fully-fledged EC system.

Anyway,  if you like to place bets and not just wait around too long, then I think this is near as good as you can get for EC trends. Certainly worth experimenting with.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2015, 08:27:09 AM by Trilobite »

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Re: TRENDS
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2015, 08:27:47 AM »
I wish I new WTF was wrong with the editor on this forum!!!

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Re: TRENDS
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2015, 02:03:39 PM »
Hi Scep,,
Trends, or as I call it,' GO WITH THE FLOW', has always been a basic part of my strategies.

In the early days when I was betting outside I used to play all 6 of the EC's. I recorded them with different color pens, so that I could see at a glance when 1 was creeping ahead. I then used a 3 step progression. I stopped when the progression busted. I often got in 20 or more hits before that happened.

I also used to play the anti- trend in the same way. Often at the same time ! This used to drive the croupiers crazy as I was betting both of  the EC pair at the same time.

Any thing that you see constantly recurring is a trend and can be bet.

Harry

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2015, 02:43:20 PM »
What I was thinking Harry was " is there a range WHEN we start betting a trend?"
Dobbelsteen seems to start right away after deciphering the previous 50 spins
Trilo says about 4
You don't give one but "go with the flow".
That phrase rings a bell Harry because that is what I am trying to work out just now.When I go to the casino this week-end I intend betting MANY numbers and have a" two bet loss " table betting bank. Just as you and dobbel have said  we seek winning more than our bank before it bursts. What I intend doing is to continue betting at the same wheel until the 2 losses occur and so GO WITH THE FLOW !
Incidentally, if I understood correctly , you bet BOTH red and black at the same time. Why ?

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Re: TRENDS
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2015, 04:21:40 PM »
Hi Scep,
I have always worked on 3. You know the old saying. once is chance, twice coincidence, 3 times enemy action. I regard 3 as the start of a trend . it will either cahange on spin 4 or go on to 5 or 6. 2 is OK  you are getting in before the peak. It  depends on what you are betting On dozens you could take the best  the best of 3. It's hard to give an accurate figure because it is intuitive based on experience.

I consider the current trend as part of all my methods. As you know roulette often seems to be more trendy than random at times.

Scep I didn't just bet Red  and Black. I bet High/Low and Odd/Even too. Obviously the progression was never the same length.  The trend bet was flat until a loss the went 2 ,then 3. The anti trend was a straight 1-2-3.. So the trend bet would be 2 and the anti 1. Zero of course gave me the Partage back  It was a bit chaotic and I abandoned it and stuck to either trend or anti whichever seemed to be winning.

People also thought I was crazy when I bet quite long progressions in which only thw first bet won. The 2nd and 3rd would break even and the rest lose steadily increasing amounts. The point is that 50% of my 1st bets won. Over 30% won on 2 or 3. which cost me nothing. The remaining 20%  I lost 1-2-3-4-5 etc. Thats a run of 8 spins. As I only started after 3 it meant that it required a run of 11 to beat me. that happened but not often enough to do real damage.

Enjoy your weekend and the holiday, Regards
Harry

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