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dobbelsteen

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The dobbelsteen challenge
« on: October 17, 2015, 12:07:33 PM »
Trilobit doubts the results of my SSB system.

Here a table with the results of 10 random 150 spins samples.



Who take the challeng to design a system with a better performence)
« Last Edit: October 17, 2015, 12:09:29 PM by dobbelsteen »


 
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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2015, 03:23:11 PM »
Trilobit doubts the results of my SSB system.

Here a table with the results of 10 random 150 spins samples.



Who take the challeng to design a system with a better performence)

Dobbelsteeen
Selectivity is pretty meaningless in itself. On my last visit I won 169 chips betting a total of 293 chips  over 11 tables . I don't claim that  it beats the Hell out of yours - or anyone else's  method. What matters is that we win rather than lose  - no matter what method we use AP or anything else . 
So what does your system entail ?
Is this your SSB system ?
Yours is , I think, a mini - Martingale progression so what is your table bank for this ?  Risk /Reward.
Is your "bets made " the number of bets made or the number of chips bet
It is unwise to make a claim such as you  have just  made. It makes you sound like a fundamentalist " My way is the ONLY way ! " makes you sound like an AP advocate.
Would you please answer my previous question to you regarding the Streets and the "High " bet ?
Thanks
« Last Edit: October 17, 2015, 03:24:56 PM by scepticus »
 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2015, 05:51:11 PM »
Wow thats 1500 spins! O_o
 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2015, 08:42:26 PM »
i don't doubt your SSB system can win.
i do doubt you can take profit every session.
 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2015, 09:03:43 PM »
Hi dobbel,
You have shown 10 sessions of 150 spins.
You say the risk of losing is minimal, but if you did lose a session, what would be the amount lost?
How many winning sessions would you need to recover the loss?
« Last Edit: October 19, 2015, 11:24:08 AM by Trilobite »
 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2015, 10:34:20 PM »
I designed this system about 30 years ago. The excel program is and requested all over the world. I never claimed ,it is a HG.

SSB is a special study of Martingale. The wager is an event with a probability of 512 and 512^2.
In the Dutch casinos the limit is 10 times double up A losing event is a sequence of 21 ECs.

The challenge is to beat the results of SSB with a better system.
 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2015, 11:50:57 PM »
I designed this system about 30 years ago. The excel program is and requested all over the world. I never claimed ,it is a HG.

SSB is a special study of Martingale. The wager is an event with a probability of 512 and 512^2.
In the Dutch casinos the limit is 10 times double up A losing event is a sequence of 21 ECs.

The challenge is to beat the results of SSB with a better system.

And my challenge to you dobbelsteen is to spell out more clearly what your SSB =programme entails.
Your table bank seems to need 1024 chips. Am I right /
But what do you actually bet ON ?
Is it what you said a few posts ago High ( 19-36 )0-1-2-3 - and 5 streets ?
Or an even- money Chance such as Red / Black. ?
Was  your example of profit from simulations or from actual results ?
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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2015, 09:43:30 AM »
The SSB program is not secret and a free available for all interested players and designers.
It is also suitable for experiments. It is a system for all ECs and dozens and columns.
A bad event is a sequence of 20 ECs. In that case you you lose 512 units but the total bet cost 1023 units.The opponents of such  system say you los your whole prior profit, This is nonsene, You lose a part of the prior profit. Suppose you play 100 succesful samples. This is not rare!! Your profit is 100x69-1023=5877 units.

The example tabel is computed with th RNG of the excel software.
 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2015, 11:05:44 AM »
So your SSB programme is some sort of chart ?
Is it based on Pascal's Triangle ?
And wins 69 chips in every 100 spins ? Why 69 ? Is that an average  -or fixed ?
Does the bettor have to choose his bet or does your "chart " tell him WHAT to bet ?
Do you use your 1x4 - 5 streets -1 "High " with this ?. I am still puzzled by this ,I don't see a profit anywhere  in it so would you please explain it to me ?
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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2015, 04:40:33 PM »
The profit of every session without a bust is about 48% of the number of spins.
The program start with 10 unbet spins to built up the first trigger. Within the last 10 spins the betting is stopped with a hit to avoid the session end with a bet.The program start every hit with a new trigger. The system creates his own triggers
 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2015, 05:28:21 PM »
The profit of every session without a bust is about 48% of the number of spins.
The program start with 10 unbet spins to built up the first trigger. Within the last 10 spins the betting is stopped with a hit to avoid the session end with a bet.The program start every hit with a new trigger. The system creates his own triggers
I happen to agree with you, Dobbelsteen, that there is little chance of a bust . Your method is much the  same as Harry's and Palestis with their " waiting game " ? If it is I don't think you can claim that it is "The ONLY Way ".to win.
  I think it is volatility that  depletes bankrolls with it's drip, drip drip. effect.  Similarly ,if those who profit at roulette check there wins and losses I think  they will find the same thing in reverse.
Your refusal to answer my question  about your 6^x1pt. + 1x6pt. leads me to think that you have made a mistake here.
 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2015, 09:29:12 PM »
i just watched your gif for two minutes
i think there might be something wrong with me...
 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2015, 09:32:35 PM »
Dobbel,

Your challenge sounds like fun, but the time involved to finish it is a big put off.

I would prefer to concede defeat from the outset and make use of my time elsewhere.

 

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Re: The dobbelsteen challenge
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2015, 11:43:43 PM »
Dobbel,

Your challenge sounds like fun, but the time involved to finish it is a big put off.

I would prefer to concede defeat from the outset and make use of my time elsewhere.

Trilo
Dobbels's  SSB programme seems to be nothing more than a   Martingale on even - money chances which gives him a one chip profit at a win. To gain his  61.5 profit he must have bet AT LEAST 62 tables so you are right to say that there is too much time involved for you.
 Anyway , asking someone to tell him a better way than his is asking too much.Would anyone with a profitable method divulge it to him - for free ?
 Without knowing it, I think kav's is a better one - but somehow I think kav would "Pass " on that challenge.