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Charlie2772

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Mini Number Martingale System!!
« on: October 05, 2015, 10:09:07 PM »
Hi Guys,

Just going to shoot the breeze with this one, I think its a beautiful system, both pretty reliable at delivering a decent return while standing strong without busting out!

Its quite simple really and only ever involves a 2 bet progression.

Basically we are betting on 17 numbers and a colour. We leave the zero untouched as well as the last number spun i.e. if 9 was the last number we would bet on black and the remaining numbers excluding 9 and the zero. Note: must be a table offering la partage.

Now, the stakes involved (for me anyway) is £2 on 17 numbers, and £36 on the colour (we bet the colour as opposed to 35 numbers, so when the zero comes in as it will, we get £18 back on our progression!!) When we lose on the first spin we simply chip up across the board, that is (depending on your initial stake) £72 on 17 numbers and £1,296 on the colour. The idea as you've probably worked out is to make £2 on each cycle (£18 plus £2 on occasions).

Total stake required to run a £2 version of this is £2,590......it will take a brutal sequence to bust out, for example, if 9 is the last number out, to lose we would need 9 to come in a further 2 times or a combination of 9 and the zero!! Pretty long odds.

Take into consideration that 3 of the same number coming out consecutively is 50653/1, a combination of 2 numbers (to bust us) i.e. 9 0 9 is still 6332/1......its a slow burn with not a massive risk but if you are to utilize this as I have been doing over hour long sessions expect to be in profit.

Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
« Last Edit: October 05, 2015, 10:16:50 PM by Charlie2772 »

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2015, 02:56:15 AM »
Sorry I am not familiar with La Partage.  I mean I know what it does and everything but I never have played it or calculated results using it.  I am sure somebody else can talk about this. : D

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2015, 06:13:16 AM »
Hi Charlie and welcome to the forum,

I think a good way to play it is with variable base bets (randomly change the initial bet value) and hope that the (inescapable) losing event will happen with minimum bet.
So if you want to play this system many times and not only once it may be better to start with even higher initial bet than 2pounds and as you make more attacks start to lower the initial bet in anticipation of a loss.

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 09:23:04 AM »
Reyth in the dutch casinos the La Partage rule is Always offered. The House edge for all systems ,using even chances, is less than 2,7%.  Systems based only on even chances has a House Edge of 1,35%.
Try my SSB for an even chance and the advantage of La Partage is more than clear. It is easy to simulate. If zero occurs more than expected the profit increase spectecular.

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2015, 06:54:38 PM »
Hi
Risking £ 2590 to win successive  £2' s  is  too much risk for  me Charlie.

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 07:21:29 PM »
Hi Scep,

Do you really think that this system is all that much of a risk......?

A true martingale with a £2 stake (even shots) runs into a £2,048 stake after 11 sequences. Its safe to say that 11 sequences of any particular even shot will occur with a much greater regularity that the above system, the odds alone back that.

I agree that it seems extreme to risk £2,590 for so little, but it is a long war after all. We are trying to get away from the notion that we are gambling and in actual fact, working, with big odds in our favour!

Put it like this, if you were to sit down and run this progression a small 30 times a day, which would take around 15-20 minutes, we easily make a nice £60 per day, and that is a nice return by anybody's standards.

I like this system as its fast, simple and doesn't rely on a virtual sequence to kick off a progression (which I think is a fallacy anyway) it simply works with true odds in real time, fast time.

Thanks
C

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 07:29:38 PM »
Hi Kav,

Thanks,

That is an interesting suggestion, though I wold say that introducing variable base bets introduces a much greater risk, but I see your point and yes it would bring greater rewards at least in the short term.

Though, as we will be losing our base bet with some frequency its important to control this and not get caught with our pants down. I feel that any system must be rigid, as this offers consistency, and consistency is paramount in any system that is to work. Like I said to scep this is a long war, we are simply trying to play with big odds in our favour, which is essentially want we are doing with a £2 bet progression.

What is your thoughts on this and my previous response to scep in sitting down for 15-20 minutes per day?

Thanks
C

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2015, 08:09:51 PM »
Hi Scep,

Do you really think that this system is all that much of a risk......?

A true martingale with a £2 stake (even shots) runs into a £2,048 stake after 11 sequences. Its safe to say that 11 sequences of any particular even shot will occur with a much greater regularity that the above system, the odds alone back that.

I agree that it seems extreme to risk £2,590 for so little, but it is a long war after all. We are trying to get away from the notion that we are gambling and in actual fact, working, with big odds in our favour!

Put it like this, if you were to sit down and run this progression a small 30 times a day, which would take around 15-20 minutes, we easily make a nice £60 per day, and that is a nice return by anybody's standards.

I like this system as its fast, simple and doesn't rely on a virtual sequence to kick off a progression (which I think is a fallacy anyway) it simply works with true odds in real time, fast time.

Thanks
C
I think it is  a question of risk / reward, Charlie , and we  can  all  have different risk profiles.
You  prefer lower risk for lower  rewards whereas  I prefer higher risk with higher rewards .My view is borne of long experience of betting  so I suppose risk can be classed as personal. In my case  I seek not to lose rather than the mainstream seek to win . That may sound stupid but I rate defending my bankroll far ahead of winning. While I still have  the major part of my bankroll I can recover losses much more quickly than your 2590. Jeez, Charlie, risking that amount gives me the heeby - jeebies !
I would strongly advise that you don't pursue this any further . I think there are other methods with the same profit  - but a greater margin of profit.
Still, it's your money so your choice . I wish you luck with it.

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2015, 03:00:31 PM »
Hi Charlie,
Scep said it all for me.   In my part of the world your bet amounts to around  R54000. That is EIGHTEEN MONTHS income for a labourer.  Fot a pensioner like myself it is over 3 years.

As it happens I have been doing some testing, with cards drawn at random from my previois results. Right on top of the pile on my desk was a dard with 0,15,15,15.
I think you will find that 3 numbers or a zero and 2 numbers turns up more frequently than you might expect.

Harry

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2015, 09:26:57 AM »
I bet on an event that happens once in 1048576 spins. This event has about 2900 zeros . Every session of about 140 spins has a profit of 70 units. The risk is one loss of 1024 units.  The profit is 7490-1024= 6466 units.
The system is free available.
Play every day a session for a nice income.

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2015, 09:36:18 AM »
Charley it is a very long time ago we put money on the table. Your system should be more clear,
when you explain your system with units. I suppose you life in the UK. Roulette is international!!

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2015, 12:56:32 PM »

All credits goes to VLS ....

Charlie have you seen this, maybe you can make a two step progression cover all 36 numbers.

There's a mathematical curiosity for having a 36-number layout coverage and yet win +1 unit on a hit:

How can it be?

Targetting #19 as the only number to leave open, the bet goes like this:

3 chips go to number 0
72 chips to low (Covers 1 to 18 )
48 chips to 3rd dozen (Covers 25 to 36)
16 chips to corner 20/24 (Covers 20-21-23-24)
4 chips to straight-up number 22

If any number other than 19 is spun, you win +1.

You need a table with "Le Partage" rule for this bet to work.

Testing the validity of this bet with Roulette Xtreme.

First you need to enable Le Partage:

Then proceed to test the winning bets:

At a straight-up win, we win 4 x 36 = 144 chips, minus 143 chips layed = +1

At the corner, we win 16 x 9 = 144 chips, we lost 143 chips layed = +1

At the dozen, we win 48 x 3 = 144 chips, taking in to account 143 chips layed = +1

At the even chance, we win 72 x 2 = 144 chips, subtracting 143 chips layed = +1

If Zero shows up, dealer returns us 108 chips as payout for it, then takes away losing chips: while from the 72 chips layed at low by "Le Partage" rule enabled at the even chances dealer takes 36 and we get 36 chips back. As we won 108 by zero + 36 chips back from low = 144 chips - 143 layed = +1 unit profit even when zero hits! Positively letting only 1 out of the 37 numbers as a loss, and winning +1 unit at 36 numbers.

It is important to notice at regular Roulette without Le partage, you have a net loss of 35 chips when zero hits so we really need this Le Partage splitting rule:

Of course, the downside is losing spin costs 143 chips. But for doing that bet your REALLY have to do next spin and want the very least numbers against, this "tricky bet" can do.

Also you can mathematically split all the bets in half to win +0.5 instead of +1... but the problem is the Zero. The dealer won't be too fond of you splitting a chip in two to bet 1 and a half on zero.

A liked trigger is to bet after 2 instances of the same number are spun. But we've all seen 3 in a row. Thanks to Namor for the tip.

« Last Edit: October 11, 2015, 01:20:53 PM by Sputnik »

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2015, 04:56:34 PM »
I bet on an event that happens once in 1048576 spins. This event has about 2900 zeros . Every session of about 140 spins has a profit of 70 units. The risk is one loss of 1024 units.  The profit is 7490-1024= 6466 units.
The system is free available.
Play every day a session for a nice income.

Can you explain your SSB  system in words, Dobbel   ?
Thanks

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2015, 11:00:52 AM »
Sputnik on the first sight It seems the HG. I agree this bet is beautiful and spectular.

The profit is 1 unit for every hit. The number 19 gives a loss of 143 units. The loss of a true sample is 108 units.

Total input 143X37=5291 units.

The profit of the roulette is 108/52.91= 2.04%. This is the House Edge of a mixed bet. In other threads I have explained this particular feature. Without the La Partage rule The House edge is 2.7%.

Scepticus the SSB system bets on an event that happens once on 2^20 . After every hit it bets on a new new.

Send me an email to " rouletteplayersclub@hotmail.nl "and I send you the excelprogram with explanation.

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Re: Mini Number Martingale System!!
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2015, 11:42:39 AM »
I bet on an event that happens once in 1048576 spins. This event has about 2900 zeros . Every session of about 140 spins has a profit of 70 units. The risk is one loss of 1024 units.  The profit is 7490-1024= 6466 units.
The system is free available.
Play every day a session for a nice income.

dobblesteen,

This can't be right. If the event happens once every 220 spins the risk cannot be a loss of 1024, because that is a 10 step martingale (210).

I suspect that what you're doing is betting that the previous 10 spins won't repeat and doubling up after each loss, but this doesn't mean that the event happens once every 220 spins; it happens every 210 spins. You think that betting like this is equivalent to waiting for 10 blacks in a row and then betting red with a 10 step martingale, which gives the odds of a loss as 220.

Unfortunately this isn't the case. Can anyone spot the flaw?