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kav

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Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« on: August 12, 2015, 04:24:50 PM »
I'm working on an up as you win system. For even chances (18 numbers) or less numbers.
Any good ideas?
Thanks in advance.


 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2015, 02:19:50 AM »
Kav the best bet selection I know is 12 number bet 7-12 and 28-33 six line the other 10-15 and 22-27

I say six line because you need less chip to cover them . I see many times one or the other wins 4-5

or more in a row and you can combine the 2 into 18 number 
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2015, 05:21:45 AM »
Hi Kav,

Are you wanting ideas for bet selections, or staking plans?
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2015, 08:37:32 AM »
Hi Kav,
Are you wanting ideas for bet selections, or staking plans?
Both!
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2015, 01:40:06 PM »
‘Up as you win’ sounds like a comfortable key to heaven’s gate. Sadly, the fall to hell might hurt a bit, and then some.

Let me then suggest that an up as you win progression should be kept well within earthy boundaries and never strive for heavenly heights.

Going up? A sensible cap or upper limit is worth considering.

Going down? Well, something that doesn’t hurt too much when you hit the bottom.

Kav, in the end, everything is relative to bet selection. Give us some parameters to work with and perhaps we can create something worthwhile. 
« Last Edit: August 13, 2015, 02:46:20 PM by Trilobite »
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2015, 06:14:03 PM »
In another post I have written that I believe up as you win progressions work best with hot numbers
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Why is someone betting on cold numbers? 
Because he believes that given enough time, equilibrium will start to form, therefore the cold numbers will appear.

Why is someone betting on hot numbers? 
Because he believes that in the short run trends prevail and he tries to catch the trend

Why is someone using a negative progression? 
Because he believes that his consecutive misses will turn into a hit that will recoup (part of) his losses.

Why is someone using a positive progression?
Because he believes that a hit can be the start of a trend.

Generally speaking, positive progressions and hot numbers are concepts that appeal to the "trend catchers". These are the "go with the flow, trend is your friend" guys.
Negative progressions and cold numbers appeal to the "equilibrium seekers". These are the "wait, be persistent and you will be rewarded" guys.
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2015, 08:38:53 PM »
I'm working on an up as you win system. For even chances (18 numbers) or less numbers.
Any good ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Yes I have a system (systems),  that you up as you win.
I will explain it with DS's, but the same idea can be applied in anything.
For every number that comes up, you place a chip on the DS it belongs to. (classic DS's to avoid confusion).
EXAMPLE:
15.     Place a chip on 13-18 DS  for the next spin.
27.    Place a chip on 25-30 DS plus one on  13-18  (you repeat the 13-18 bet). (2 chips total)
6.      Place a chip on 1-6 DS plus one on 13-18 and 25-30. (3 chips total).
18.     Place 2 CHIPS on 13-18 and all the other DS's from the previous bets. (4 chips now).

In other words you ADD A CHIP on the DS that wins while re betting all the other DS's with whatever chips they had on them in the previous spin. (pen and paper is a must unless you play in an auto roulette where you press the REBET button and then add just one chip on the new DS).
Eventually you will  come to the point where you will bet all 6 DS's.
When that happens you SIMPLIFY all 6 DS's by taking off chips so they can be at their lowest possible bet amount. (10 chips on each of the 6 DS's is the same exactly thing as having 1 chip on each one of them. In this case it is the same as if you don't bet at all).

What this system does, it follows the DS's that come ahead of the pack and you are rewarded with a HIGHER BET each time they come out. It also avoids chip waste on some DS's that are sleeping or are otherwise cold.

If a DS decides to sleep for 20 spins, in effect you are reducing the 37 numbers to 31, for the duration of the sleep. because you don't bet on that DS at all.  (How is that for a player's edge? )

There are 2 ways to play this system. -------------------
1. You proceed as above and once you are in a profit, you stop and start from the beginning.
2. You proceed as above, but you keep going and going betting 100's of spins. (ALWAYS SIMPLIFYING when you have to bet all  DS's). In a long session, some DS's for sure will come out ahead. And getting paid with an ever increasing amount is the beauty of this system.

But I find that this system works much better with streets. The payout is much bigger, and a few streets can go to sleep for a long time.

When you have too many chips on a few DS's , expecting a handsome payout, you can always place 1 chip on the 0. Just in case.

PS. You can test it manually for at least 100 spins.
I don't think it can be tested with software.

(How do you instruct a program to deduct equal number of chips, so that all DS's are reduced to a minimum possible bet?  Some DS's might not even have any chips on them at all after simplification ).

« Last Edit: August 13, 2015, 08:52:23 PM by palestis »
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2015, 09:47:32 PM »
most of my research involved hot numbers but could not find the ideal entry or exit point 

the best bet selection was the number 3 times in 16 spin and bet for 4 bets no more no less   

that was the only one after thousands   of spins showed some profit can't remember how

much
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2015, 12:05:22 AM »
Les,
That's on of the main problems with any system :-)

Palaistis,
This is a GREAT system. Thanks for sharing.

I also like very much this idea as I said before:
http://rouletteforum.roulette30.com/index.php/topic,272.msg2068.html
this needs modification, but the core concept is interesting.
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2015, 09:51:44 AM »
Palestis the question is an up after a win. You increase the probability chance and  your bets after a loss.Your idea is a kind of the game of the dices.
In excel you can program the idea but it is a lot of work. The number of steps is the problem. You can judge the idea after an analysis of many 200 spins samples.
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2015, 11:02:44 PM »
Up as you win is fine when you are winning but a friend of mine lost his house and savings by being greedy,when you hit a losing run all those winnings are wiped out very quickly. tread very carefully with this idea.
 

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Re: Any good ideas for an up as you win system?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2015, 02:53:35 AM »
Gentlemen,

The most important,

is,

a bet selection, that always hit within the "math-expectation',

before u apply the up/down strategy!

If U have a bet selection that hit ..

EC=always near 47% hit.
Single dozen=always near 30% hit.

Then any simple progression will do.

and also, how to face, manage and avoid bad variance, too.

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1]Bet selection that near math expectation in long run.

2]A sturdy progression.

3]Variance avoidance.

Where u need good loss/profit, and win/loss ratio.

That the essence of a near HG.

Thanks.