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What do you prefer, RNG's or real wheels??

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Real wheels at brick and mortar casinos
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BlueAngel

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RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« on: June 27, 2015, 05:04:56 PM »
Have you ever tested a strategy on both, RNG and "live" casinos with different outcomes?
After how much testing you can be as sure as it can gets before you decide that RNG or real wheel is better for you?
After how much testing you could be able to take a firm decision about a system/strategy that it is worthless or it's valuable?


 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2015, 05:11:52 PM »
Testing a system on RNG using fun money is misleading.

Testing a system on RNG using real money is devastating.
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2015, 05:12:04 PM »
If there was a "mechanized" way that I could import real world results into my testing procedures, I would gladly test to see the difference.  I believe that if there was any significant difference in the results it would show dealer/wheel bias that is skewing the normal flow of distribution.  This is why I prefer online RNG.
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2015, 05:16:47 PM »
normal flow of distribution.

There is no such a thing like "normal flow of distribution" on RNG casinos Reyth.
Its a programme and its written that way to lure player to play big and then start "randomly" generating results against his big wagers.
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2015, 05:21:13 PM »
Well you make an interesting point.  I have spoken with people that say this:

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at times do see if we can update the random generator as we understand that truly random does not exist.

Pristine random just doesn't exist?  In order to understand this properly, random flow from multiple RNG's would have to be compared vs. random flow from multiple real word wheels.

I for one just don't feel the motivation...
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2015, 05:24:46 PM »
The thing is this:
it will always be wiser to go to nearest BM casino and play against real wheel then trying to beat something that can't be beaten.

You are programmer and you know best what can be done in programming.
Possibilities are limitless.
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2015, 05:35:18 PM »
The thing is this:
it will always be wiser to go to nearest BM casino and play against real wheel then trying to beat something that can't be beaten.

You are programmer and you know best what can be done in programming.
Possibilities are limitless.

I've to agree with that.
Even if RNG try to imitate the wheel, nothing is like the real thing, roulette wheels are the REAL deal!
Besides I enjoy the atmosphere of the casino with all the sluts buzzing,smokey,cursing around, rather than sitting in front of a monitor and without knowing if anyone else is playing the time I do and having the same results as mine.
It's much more enjoyable and from time to time you could make good social connections...
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2015, 05:39:04 PM »
Even if RNG try to imitate the wheel, nothing is like the real thing, roulette wheels are the REAL deal!

I have thought about this and I feel the same way you do but just the opposite.  Both of us might be right?

I dread the thought of all the testing and programming required that would prove no difference...
 

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2015, 07:52:56 PM »
I know how easy it is to manupulate the casino software. Since years I warn for  playing with real money on internet.
In spite of this I practice a lot in the fun mode. I record my demos also in the fun mode.
It is very difficult to prove a RNG is manipulated.
GNO did you ever try to prove the RNG is cheat.The simpliest way is using an EC. Bet 200 times 1 unit on red anc compute R/B and count the zero.
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2015, 08:51:00 PM »
The thing is this:
it will always be wiser to go to nearest BM casino and play against real wheel then trying to beat something that can't be beaten.

You are programmer and you know best what can be done in programming.
Possibilities are limitless.

I've to agree with that.
Even if RNG try to imitate the wheel, nothing is like the real thing, roulette wheels are the REAL deal!
Besides I enjoy the atmosphere of the casino with all the sluts buzzing,smokey,cursing around, rather than sitting in front of a monitor and without knowing if anyone else is playing the time I do and having the same results as mine.
It's much more enjoyable and from time to time you could make good social connections...
I agree Blue Angel. I visit a Bricks and Mortar casino  as much for the social atmosphere as the gambling. I think it is a safe environment though much noisier than it used to be .
I play at both the Live Tables and  the Airball  terminal -  at different times of course . The only difference I notice is the difference in  speed   and , of course ,  the lack of chat with other players at the terminals.
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2015, 09:19:35 PM »
I know how easy it is to manupulate the casino software. Since years I warn for  playing with real money on internet.
In spite of this I practice a lot in the fun mode. I record my demos also in the fun mode.
It is very difficult to prove a RNG is manipulated.
GNO did you ever try to prove the RNG is cheat.The simpliest way is using an EC. Bet 200 times 1 unit on red anc compute R/B and count the zero.

All that the player needs is just a little logic and he'll know that RNG are created for ripping off the players.

The nasty thing is that noone can't do nothing to prove that the RNG casinos cheat. Even if you wager on the blacks and encounter 35 reds in a row followed by only 1 black and then another 30 reds in a row, even if you record this and try to convince the owners of the casino that this is NEVER going to happen on live wheel, they'll just put smiles on their faces and give the well known answer: "Its random. We do not interfere in any way possible." And they'll know its BS. And you'll know its BS. But anyway you've lost your money, you gonna accept it as it is, close the account in their casino and never ever again play on any RNG casino.

Stay away from RNG casinos. This way more and more of them will HAVE to stop using the RNG roulettes and start to use live wheel feeds from reputable casinos. I know that this is not even close to same like playing in BM casinos but it is way better then playing on RNGs.
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2015, 07:03:12 AM »
Who has played a 1000000 spins at a live Wheel?  On a rng it can be up to 10000 spins in a day,
That's is like running a simulation, in number of spins. A larger sample shows more of that which
is regarded uncommon or rare. The low stakes on line can make progressions which work
very long, and after a long time of winning, the loss which will come happen. The player tends to blame the casino. Even experienced players have done it. The "proof" is the losing only, and claim of
impossible outcome.

It is possible to cheat, but a business model doing it will earn less.  Short lived casinos
may cheat, but it should be devastating for the larger  companies.

A casino with a small number of tables, can lose a particular day, but keeps the hold
over time. It is more unlikely a larger on line will do that, as they have much more players.
Both kind give the same odds, and the well known do not cheat.

It is difference in speed and surrounding,
The odds is fixed the same way as a live Wheel.
Many playing at BM do not play live Wheel, due to high minbet, they play RNG on
Machines in a BM casino.

 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2015, 11:57:25 AM »
Many times I have suspected the same thing; faster wheel spins = greater chance of hitting the infamous variance streak that the wheel always generates.
 

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2015, 12:28:16 PM »
In my B& M casino  the terminals give me the option to play two Airballs and two of the live tables in the casino.
If I wish I can therefore  bet 25p chips on an actual live table whereas if I bet on the table itself the minimum is 50p midweek and £1 at week-ends .
 

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Re: RNG VS REAL WHEEL
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2015, 01:51:27 PM »
In my B& M casino  the terminals give me the option to play two Airballs and two of the live tables in the casino.
If I wish I can therefore  bet 25p chips on an actual live table whereas if I bet on the table itself the minimum is 50p midweek and £1 at week-ends .

You are lucky! At Athens you cannot find less than 2.5 Euros minimum for Roulette!
At Vegas I found American wheel with 10 cents minimum BUT the single 0 wheels had from 10 Dollars and more their minimum.
I know 4 casinos (Ceasars,Bellagio,Venetian and Palazzo) only offering European Roulette 24/7 and there are other 2 (M resort and Monte Carlo or Paris) which are offering it not all of the times.(based on demand)