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French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« on: June 26, 2015, 06:34:22 PM »
I know that the basic difference between these two is the double zero on the American wheel and the bigger HE that follows from this additional zero.

But the thing that I'm curious about is:
are there any real differences in the gameplay?

I mean in distribution between ECs, dozens, columns, single numbers etc..

The reason I ask this is because I've noticed that in the new opened casinos I've visited recently there are no french roulette tables, only american. And after little research of this wheel, I've noticed that the wheel layout of the numbers is way different then the french roulette.

Waiting for you opinions based on life experiences.


 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2015, 07:03:30 PM »
I am not sure this is what you are asking about, but there are actually (more than) 3 types of roulette tables and wheels and the categorization can be quite confusing.
But I would say that the main differences between the main types of the game are:
  • the wheel layout (single zero - double zero)
  • the number of croupiers (one in European/American three in French)
  • the payouts on Even chances (La Partage or En prison rules in French roulette, you lose half your money when zero comes)
  • the neighbor bets (not available in all types of roulette)
In Macau one can find various "unique" wheel layouts.
 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2015, 07:57:45 PM »
@Kav

Downloaded the 10K spins from B&M casino, double zero American Roulette and done little testing from which I came to these conclusions (they are not SOLID, but I'm quite certain that I'm near understanding the differences between these two kind of wheels):

1) even though we are talking about just one number added to the wheel, that double zero is actually quite big pain in the ass
2) there is lots of repeating on the dozens. I mean A LOT compared to the amount of the repeats that occur on the French roulette wheel: groups of 3s and 4s repeats on the same dozen come quite easily.

I need more and deeper analyzing this kind of wheel.
And I need other members help.
 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2015, 08:03:05 PM »
I'm so accustomed to the European wheel layout, that the American version almost seems like a different game to me.
 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2015, 08:10:59 PM »
Exactly that Kav. :)

A new casino opened nearby so I thought to exploit the big crowds of newbies that are going to events like these so went to visit it. And when I entered and headed to the roulette tables, I was surprised when I saw the double zero (first) and the layout of the numbers on the wheel (second) that they were totally different from the French (standard) roulette. It looked strange so I pretended that I'm there not to play but for the free drinks.

IMO more and more casinos will start to use these strange wheels in future.. and we must find a way to make some money from them too.
 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2015, 11:22:46 PM »
I know that the basic difference between these two is the double zero on the American wheel and the bigger HE that follows from this additional zero.

But the thing that I'm curious about is:
are there any real differences in the gameplay?

I mean in distribution between ECs, dozens, columns, single numbers etc..

The reason I ask this is because I've noticed that in the new opened casinos I've visited recently there are no french roulette tables, only american. And after little research of this wheel, I've noticed that the wheel layout of the numbers is way different then the french roulette.

Waiting for you opinions based on life experiences.
Here are some observations regarding the American wheel.
1. If you take the mid-column and 7-12,  25-30  DS's you cover a large CONTIGUOUS REGION of the wheel in  10, 6 and 4 number groups. 
2.The 2 DS's 7-12 and 25-30 are diametrically opposite each other on the wheel and all their numbers are contiguous.
3. Also (3rd pic.) 2 large contiguous areas on the wheel (12 and 8 numbers), do not have any number from the mid-column.
 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2015, 11:29:23 PM »
Pardon me but how do Americans get to make up a new number?  I mean like 00 doesn't even exist!

 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2015, 01:14:20 AM »
@Palestis

have you ever played on these wheels?
The case you've mentioned is similar like the 2nd Dozen + 2nd Double Street + 28/32 Quad on French roulette wheel.

@Reyth

Americans will do anything for profits. Nothing strange if in 50 to 100 years from now, when people will get way smarter (honestly I doubt my own statement..) and will take more and more from the casinos, they to make one step ahead and add another, third zero to the wheel and introduce the Triple Zero roulette wheel. :)
 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2015, 08:23:42 AM »
There are 3-zero Wheels   with zero, double zero anf egle. Some I know found it in USA.
 

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2015, 10:58:36 AM »
I think ,the double zero has more to do with the table layout. IMO there is no difference between two zero`s the double zero or a number 37. In every way the American roulette is inferior with the France roulette.
 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2015, 11:02:20 AM »
@Palestis

have you ever played on these wheels?
The case you've mentioned is similar like the 2nd Dozen + 2nd Double Street + 28/32 Quad on French roulette wheel.

@Reyth

Americans will do anything for profits. Nothing strange if in 50 to 100 years from now, when people will get way smarter (honestly I doubt my own statement..) and will take more and more from the casinos, they to make one step ahead and add another, third zero to the wheel and introduce the Triple Zero roulette wheel. :)
That's the only choice I have for now. The French wheel in American casinos have unusual high minimums, ranging from $50 to $100. While the Am. wheels can have a $5 minimum.
The 00 doesn't bother me as much as other rules are bothering me. Like you can't bet inside with cash chips if someone else is using them. So I am forced to play EC bets or dozens and columns.

 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2015, 11:40:52 AM »
Yes bet limits and sizes and rules make more problems than a zero in a short session.
On line I can play  Nozero or 1zero, as 1zero has 1  to 20000 on a single number, the
Noz has  1 to  2000. Minbet on 1zero 0.01, on Nozero 0.05.
There is time limit on Noz.

 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2015, 12:29:43 PM »
@Kav

Downloaded the 10K spins from B&M casino, double zero American Roulette and done little testing from which I came to these conclusions (they are not SOLID, but I'm quite certain that I'm near understanding the differences between these two kind of wheels):

1) even though we are talking about just one number added to the wheel, that double zero is actually quite big pain in the ass
2) there is lots of repeating on the dozens. I mean A LOT compared to the amount of the repeats that occur on the French roulette wheel: groups of 3s and 4s repeats on the same dozen come quite easily.

I need more and deeper analyzing this kind of wheel.
And I need other members help.

Very interesting idea GNO! I think what you found so far is not an accident,but because the American wheel layout is different from the European.
It was very nice of you to start such topic,I've never read something similar elsewhere.

@ Kav,the difference on the layout is NOT only the extra 00,all the numbers are differently located,which leads to the question: Could this difference on the layouts lead to different distribution and results??
I'd like to say something regarding my empirical observations,the dozens on the European Roulette are more repetitive than the Columns.
I know,I know,these 2 groups (dozens and columns) have the same amount of numbers,therefore what I have observed many times cannot be proved mathematically.
Anyone who is reading this topic,could you please let us know if what I witnessed is just what happened during my sessions OR it is something which you have experienced too??
 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2015, 02:40:08 PM »
@Kav

Downloaded the 10K spins from B&M casino, double zero American Roulette and done little testing from which I came to these conclusions (they are not SOLID, but I'm quite certain that I'm near understanding the differences between these two kind of wheels):

1) even though we are talking about just one number added to the wheel, that double zero is actually quite big pain in the ass
2) there is lots of repeating on the dozens. I mean A LOT compared to the amount of the repeats that occur on the French roulette wheel: groups of 3s and 4s repeats on the same dozen come quite easily.

I need more and deeper analyzing this kind of wheel.
And I need other members help.

Very interesting idea GNO! I think what you found so far is not an accident,but because the American wheel layout is different from the European.
It was very nice of you to start such topic,I've never read something similar elsewhere.

@ Kav,the difference on the layout is NOT only the extra 00,all the numbers are differently located,which leads to the question: Could this difference on the layouts lead to different distribution and results??
I'd like to say something regarding my empirical observations,the dozens on the European Roulette are more repetitive than the Columns.
I know,I know,these 2 groups (dozens and columns) have the same amount of numbers,therefore what I have observed many times cannot be proved mathematically.
Anyone who is reading this topic,could you please let us know if what I witnessed is just what happened during my sessions OR it is something which you have experienced too??

@BlueAngel

I was trying to find something connected with this on the web, but without success. So I thought that it would be nice to do a little research and see if there are ways to exploit this kind of wheels too. If you do any testing, please write your conclusions here. Maybe together, little by little, we'll collect enough data that will help us to understand how this kind of wheel works (what are the longest sleeping ranges on the outcomes: ECs, Dzs, Cls, DSs, Ss, SNs).

And about the dozens vs columns repeating, your conclusion is right:
I've noticed that on average repeating on the dozens occurs every 3 to 4 spins (or around 25  to 30 times in 100 spins sample) and the longest run without a repeat on the dozens that I've encountered was 20 spins. On the other side repeats on columns appears less but when you it does, it goes to 4-5 repeats on that same column easily. Once I've seen this: 3, 12, 36, 18, 18, 6, 3, 27, 30, 33. This was somewhere in the beginning, in the time when I was learning and I was like "-No way! This casino is cheating!" But after lots and lots additional spins I've seen columns to get repeating for 11 or even more times I've realized that it was not cheating, but somehow connected with the arrangement of the columns numbers on the layout.

And now I'm thinking how to exploit this too..

Sometimes I think that I think too much. :)
=GNO=
 

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Re: French vs American Roulette..any real life experiences?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2015, 02:43:40 PM »
Can tests only be done on B&M wheels?