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Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« on: June 26, 2015, 05:47:23 PM »
Ahcoln's Super Recoup System

Hello everyone,

This is a very special newsletter.  It will provide you with the full explanation of Ahcoln's Super Recoup system. 

Ahcoln won the second place after my FRS in the GG roulette contest with his New Recoup system.  Super Recoup is even a more enhanced system. 

Ahcoln's Super Recoup is a sophisticated system.  So, you can really make the most out of it.

Super Recoup is the kind of system, which lets you control your losses, bets flat during normal circumstances and escalates your winnings during a winning streak.  So, it's an ideal system.

It bets on even bets, so you can use it for all even bets in Roulette, Craps and Baccarat.

The bet selection can be the player's choice.  If you have a good bet selection, go ahead and use it.  The one Ahcoln has chosen and the one, which will be given in this newsletter is simply follow the last decision.  In Roulette, that would mean to bet Red if the last decision was Red and to bet Black if the last decision was Black.  On a Green zero, you skip the next bet.  The examples that will be given here will also be for Roulette for bets placed on Odd and Even.

The Super Recoup uses three betting stages.
- The "N"ormal stage
- The "R"ecoup stage
- The "P"arlay stage

The "N"ormal stage bets 1 unit flat on each decision.

The "R"ecoup stage tries to recover losses and bets the contents of the negative bankroll of various banks the system uses.  If say the balance of a bank is -7 units, one will bet 7 units when one reaches the R stage. 

If the bet is won, the negative balance of that bank is cleared and one is back to the "N"ormal stage.  If the bet is lost, one freezes that balance in that bank and opens a new bank with that negative balance to be cleared at a later stage. 

This technique avoids the betting of large amounts and also the reaching of the maximum bet limits.

We will elaborate on the use of various banks a bit later.

During the "P"arlay stage bets are increased during a winning streak, that is during consecutive wins.

During the "P" stage bets are increased according to the Fibonacci sequence: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21, etc., where your next bet is the sum of the previous two.
Do not get confused on the term Parlay, which usually means to let the bet ride on a win.  It simply bets according to the numbers in the Fibonacci series, as per Ahcoln's terminology.

Since you are in "P"arlay stage after 2 consecutive wins in the "N"ormal stage, you start betting 2 units, then 3, 5, 8, as you keep winning, until your first loss.  When you finally lose your bet, that loss eliminates the profits of the last 2 wins.  However, if you have been winning a few bets consecutively, you will be able to store some profits (up until your last win minus the last 2 wins) into the profit bank (PB).

It's important to know when to switch between those stages.

Obviously we start betting in the "N"ormal stage, placing 1 unit flat on each spin.
2 consecutive wins will trigger either a "R"ecoup or a "P"arlay stage. 

If you have no debts to the banks you're using, then 2 wins will trigger a "P"arlay.  If you owe money to at least one of the banks, then 2 wins will trigger a "R"ecoup stage.

Now, it's a good time to talk about those banks.  You will have one profit bank and a few recovery or recoup banks.  Should you make profits up front, all your profits go to the profit bank and they are stored there. 

For example, you start with the "N"ormal stage and bet 1 unit. If you win that bet you store your profit in the profit bank.  Then you reset.  Should you lose your second bet, your loss goes to the first recoup bank (RB_0).  If you lose another bet, now you owe two units to the first recoup bank.   Now your subsequent wins and losses are taken from the first recoup bank until you  no longer owe that bank. 

So if your balance is say -3 units in the RB_0 or recoup bank 0 (the first recoup bank), your next win of 1 unit in the "N"ormal stage is deducted from RB_0, brining your balance to -2 units.

As you keep betting in the "N"ormal stage with flat bets of 1 unit, you update your bank balance in the first recoup bank, should your balance be negative.   Should your balance become positive, then you store your wins in the profit bank, since you would owe nothing to the recoup bank.

Now, if you have 2 wins in a row, and you owe some money to the recoup bank, this triggers a "R"ecoup stage, during which you bet all you owe in the first recoup bank.  So if your balance is -4 units in the RB_0 (recoup bank 0), you bet 4 units to clear that debt.  If you win that bet, you owe nothing to the first recoup bank . Then you're back to betting 1 unit flat in the "N"ormal stage.  After that if you win twice in a row again, you are in the "P"arlay stage.

If you lose that 4 unit bet, you freeze the -4 units in the first recoup bank and open a new balance in a new recoup bank (we'll call it RB_1) and transfer those lost 4 units into that bank.

Your subsequent bets in the "N"ormal stage will now update the balance of RB_1.
If you have 2 wins in a row again, you're in "R"ecoup stage and you bet the entire balance of RB_1.  If you win that bet, you are still in "R"ecoup stage and this time you bet the entire balance of RB_0.  So debts in the recoup banks are cleared one at a time by consecutive wins.

Now, let's take some more complex stages, where there is a special recoup bank management method.  If you have several recoup banks open, with balances of say -4, -5, -3, -6, you can eliminate one of the recoup banks by using the so called "add-2, adjust-1" method.  You simply add the balances of those 4 banks: -4-5-3-6 = -18 and divide it by 3 = -6.  So now you have 3 recoup banks instead of 4 with a balance of -6 on each.

2-adjust-1 is used when there are 2,4,6,8 or 10 recoup banks (multiples of 2 or even number of recoup banks) in debt. If there is only one bank, there is no adjustment, you just add 1 bank on a loss.  If the current number of recoup banks is 2, you adjust before you add to 3 banks.

1 bank, add
2 banks, adjust
2 banks, add
3 banks, adjust
3 banks, add

If you cancel a bank, reduce from 4-3, next you will add a bank if lose on "R" due current bank=3.

if you cancel a bank, reduce from 3-2, next you will adjust a bank if lose on "R" due to current bank=2.

All the above will be soon very clear when we illustrate all rules with a detailed example.

Just to summarize the rules before that:

The bet selection is follow the last decision.  On a zero you skip the next bet.
Your profits go to the profit bank (PB).
Your losses go to the recoup bank(s), RB_0, RB_1, etc.
A new recoup bank is opened only if one loses in the "R"ecoup stage.

If your debt is clear to the recoup banks, 2 consecutive wins trigger a parlay, where you bet according to Fibonacci series.

If there are debts to the recoup banks, then 2 consecutive wins trigger the "R"ecoup stage, where you bet the entire balance of the most recent recoup bank opened.  If the recoup wins, you apply another recoup if  there are still debts in the recoup banks, betting from the last towards the first recoup bank.  If not you reset to normal stage betting one unit.

Total  number of spins 244
Total bets 584
Maximum recoup bet:  24
Maximum parlay bet: 8
Most -ve: -128
Ttotal winning sessions: 12
Total units in RB -4
Final net win:  8 units
Edge: 1.37%

The above was the way Ahcoln has played his Super Recoup.  You are free to set your own rules when it comes to switching stages between "N", "R", and "P".  You might trigger a parlay after 3 or 4 wins for instance.  You may want to use a different progression than Fibonacci.  You may simply let your chips ride after 4 wins and remove 1 chip for your profit bank.  Or you may want to use a March progression after a few number of wins, where you bet 1 unit more every time you win.
 
Quoting from Ahcoln's explanation: "Switching states is the most important part and most original idea of this system.  You will need to decide the condition on when to switch between the states of “N” to “R” or “P”.  For example, in blackjack, you’ll play “N” until reaching the state where the shoe is rich with 10’s and Aces, here you will switch to “R” state to recoup all your losses, and when all Recoup banks are cancelled, you’ll switch to “P”."

I hope you liked Ahcoln's Super Recoup.

Thanking Ahcoln for his great contribution and for granting his permission to publish this strategy.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2015, 05:57:07 PM by Reyth »


 

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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2015, 05:59:37 PM »
Even though this system is way too much of a grind for far too little profit, this genius banking system can be used with any betting system with success.  I think it is probably the best money/risk management tool I have ever seen.

I wanted to make sure I posted it so I don't forget about it.
 

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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2015, 08:28:38 PM »
@Reyth

do some testing and write here the results from your test. There are lots of systems across the web that are stating the same (that they gave the player an EDGE) but when a little deeper testing is done, the systems fails..
 

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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2015, 08:32:26 PM »
I don't plan on using this system because in 244 spins it only generated 8 units of profit.  What I possibly plan on doing is using the BANK SYSTEM in my Kav play so I can possibly reduce the bankroll requirements.
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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2015, 08:38:43 PM »
8 units per 244 spins? Thats the average profit? With what bankroll?
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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2015, 08:40:39 PM »
I think 200 units would of covered everything.
 

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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2015, 08:45:38 PM »
8 units avg profit per 244 spins with that low bankroll is actually very good. :) 8 units profit per sessions means doubling your bankroll every 25 sessions..

Think about that Reyth.
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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2015, 09:55:58 PM »
8 units avg profit per 244 spins with that low bankroll is actually very good. :) 8 units profit per sessions means doubling your bankroll every 25 sessions..

Think about that Reyth.

@Reyth
You wrote 24 spins, and 8 units profit per 24 spin is not good, it is EXCELLENT. But in 244 spins (around 6 to 8 hours constant playing) this is poor average profit.

But other important question here is:
is this profit consistent?

Test it when you'll have more free time, I'm curious to see the results.
 

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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2015, 09:59:49 PM »
I don't think I will be testing it because I don't need to spin 250 times to gain 10 units of profit.  All I know is that it won an award in a contest of system submissions (it came in 2nd place).  You or anyone else is free to test it however and I will be happy to try and help with any questions.
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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2015, 07:19:38 AM »
hello reth congratulation for your work

where you find this system competition ?
can you please forward the link
thank
 

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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2015, 11:13:01 AM »
It took place on the Gambler's Glen forum:

t's been a busy month but here's the results. Some small errors in w[/size]eek one have been corrected.We used all 9 tables from Dec 1-14 at Hamburg, Germany, which was theequivalent of sitting at one table for about 3.5 months! So it was a good test of each method. The 'en prison' rule was active, which gave back 1/2 of even bets when the zero came up.CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WINNER: Izak and his "FRS II, method 2", whichbarely beat out Ahcoln's "New Recoup" for 1st place. FRS II only had 2 losing days, and New Recoup remarkably had none. (I am rechecking the New Recoup spreadsheet which Ahcoln graciously provided me, to see if there are any errors in it...)Third place was JBoyd's "Even Parlay 21." Also coming out positive for the two week, 28,429 spin contest were Tony's "Double Win & Out" method, and JBoyd's "Even Parlay 13." Here are the top five:Place___Name____Method__________________________Total___Wk_1____Wk_21_______Izak____FRS II - 2 Dozens, method 2___________7177____3961____32162_______Ahcoln__New Recoup______________________6580____3247____33333_______JBoyd___Even Parlay 21____________________2794____-398____31924_______Tony____Double Win and Out_________________715_____-62_____7775_______JBoyd___Even Parlay13_____________________424_______2_____422The following did not make a net profit, but at least they did not lose their 3000 unit bankroll!6_______Rob_________54_________________________-200______525_____-7257_______Izak________FRS II - 2 Dozens, method 1_______-469_____-630______1618_______Izak________Five Step Marty_________________-560_____-795______2359_______Kelly_______Classic Two Step_______________-1765_____-717____-104810______Sir Ivor______Hi / Low (hit and run)____________-1900_____-840____-106011______Puppy Chow__Investment Roulette____________-2296______597____-289312______Alltime_______20/20 sans progression_________-2732_____-505____-2227The following players lost all of their 3000 unit bankroll the secondweek:13______Spino___The Spino______________-3000___-1764___-123614______Rev_____Profit Maker____________-3000___-2128____-87215______Docker__Docker's System_________-3000___-2771____-22916______Elt_____Against All Odds__________-3000___-2049____-951And these players lost their bankroll the first week:17______Buffster___Luck Is Everything_________-3000_____-3000___018______Belle______Repeating Numbers II______-3000_____-3000___019______Tony_______Pretend System__________-3000_____-3000___020______Hernan_____Perdedor II_____________-3000_____-3000___021______Bill B_____Hi / Low Dozen___________-3000_____-3000___022______Grenoble Scientist____The Winner_____-3000_____-3000___023______Alltime____20/20___________________-3000_____-3000___024______Donali_____Donali's Secret___________-3000_____-3000___025______Carsch_____18 Number System_______-3000_____-3000___026______Free Roulette__Cover Method_________-3000_____-3000___027______Hernan_____Perdedor I______________-3000_____-3000___028______EuroRoul___D'Alembert______________-3000_____-3000___0Finally, my apologies to Turbo (Dozen Eliminator), Serena (14 # group), Ahcoln (Quarter Hit), Tater (Street Sleeper), OHPC (International Method), Roulette France (Mr. Opps Tribute), JapJap (Tokyo Streets) andJoe Daw (Joe Daw's Method), whose methods were either too complex forme to program, or I didn't get them finished yet. Perhaps next contest? I am working on Turbo's and Serena's, but may just put them in the next contest.-------------------------------------------------------------------I'll have more stats later, including a more full description of the methods that came out positive. I am also working on the "consolation prize" for the method that gained the "most per unit bet." It will be one of the top five.Thanks to all who entered. If you think I calculated your method wrongly, send me your corrections or suggestions or questions. It was fun, let's do it again next year.JB[Edited by JBoyd333 on 23-Dec-04 01:25][/color]
 

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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2015, 11:14:54 AM »
That's alot of editing.  If you read carefully you can decipher the profitable ones at the top.
 

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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2015, 01:00:06 PM »
That's alot of editing.  If you read carefully you can decipher the profitable ones at the top.

Why not you to explain us the FRS II by Izak which was the winner instead of the runner??
Btw, Izak is Izak Mataya??
 

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2015, 01:48:06 PM »
I don't think Izak Mataya openly reveals anything specific concerning his methods. 

Also, the only reason I mentioned it is for the BANK system which I find ingenious.  The actual system I find quite inefficient.

In fact, I am currently testing this bank system with my Kav system to see how it works... : )
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Re: Genius Bank System By Ahcoln!
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2015, 01:52:24 PM »
I don't think Izak Mataya openly reveals anything specific concerning his methods. 

Also, the only reason I mentioned it is for the BANK system which I find ingenious.  The actual system I find quite inefficient.

But you are not giving straight answers, so I'm going to repeat: Why not the FRS II which was number 1 in the competition?