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Stepped Progression By Harry J *PROPS!*
« on: June 22, 2015, 11:40:22 AM »
I can suggest a stategy that used successfully  in my early play thet requires a small bankroll and can be played against low maximums.     

It is called the "Kitchen Martingale", and is as old as roulette itself.  The basic system is very simple. Wait for one of the 6 EC's to lose 3 or 4 times. Bet that the series will not reach 7 or 8. You make 3 bets 1.2.4. or 1.2.3. You do not chase losses, but simply wait for the next trigger.

Because, in the short run, series of 3 or 4 outnumber series of 7 and 8 this method tends to show a small profit. Around 2-3 units per hour. As long runs tend to clump together you can usually see when the table is suitable.   

A recovery technique could be a "trigger"progression on a new target after a loss, or you could try a "stepped progression.       

After a loss of 1.2.3. bet 3 again And continue to bet 3 until the line is clear or reaches -12. Then bet 4 until the line is -20. Then 5 until -30. etc.    The full progression is:

!.2.3. Martingale end of series after any win.   
3/9  3 is the bet 9 the total risk.  ALL THE FOLLOWING BETS ARE FLAT UNTIL
3/12                                       A NEW LEVEL IS REACHED OR THE LINE IS CLEAR.   
4/16   
4/20   
5/25   
5/30   
6/36
6/42   
7/49   
7/56   
8/64   
8/72   
9/81   
9/90   
10/10   
10/110   IN MY OWN PLAY i NEVER REACHED THIS LEVEL BUT ABORTED THE PLAY AT A CONVENIENT POINT LONG BEFORE. ACCEPTING A SMALL LOSS  PROVED MORE PROFITABLE THAN CLEARING A LINE THAT LINGERED ON.       

The returns from this type of play are not large but fairly cosistent.      Regards, Harry


This is so awesome, I want to make sure it has its own place.  I think this can be the basis of quite the varied strategies not just on EC's but on dozens & streets too.

I hope that many are inspired by this post and weigh in with suggestions and it can grow into something even better.

I thought of not posting this and just squirreling it away on my desktop but its just too awesome to hide away!
« Last Edit: June 24, 2015, 12:55:51 PM by Reyth »


 

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Re: Stepped Progression By Harry J *PROPS!*
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2015, 12:32:55 PM »
Here I am going to try a variation.  I will play all EC's & wait for 7 out of the last 10 to be of one type (vs. 3 of the other type) & thus unbalanced.  Equal distribution will pull it back into balance and I will be there with this "stepped progression" when it happens.

« Last Edit: June 22, 2015, 01:00:10 PM by Reyth »
 

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2015, 03:51:21 AM »
Another variation I am trying that is working quite well:

1) Play the opposite color of the 10th spin back (Dobble Method)
2) Bet 1 unit until you lose twice in a row
3) Raise on the following progression:

2 3 4 5 6 8 10

4) Don't raise a progression step until you lose twice in a row

What I am doing is watching my bankroll balance very carefully and noting each of my bets. 

What I am finding out is that sometimes I will go into profit other times I will go only to par.  Either way I reduce back down to 1 unit.

I see that you can have two results:

1) Uncontested win -- +2x the bet amount which will be 2 straight wins with no losses

2) Contested win -- +1x the bet amount which will be a series of losses in a LWLWLW type pattern that will end with LWW

Same on the loss side, you can go down 2x or 1x the number of bet units depending on the sequence.

Here is the "challenge sequence" that threatens to bring the system down.  It is a series of consecutive uncontested (U) losses. 

The normal formula after 2 wins when down is to go back down to the previous progression level (so if you had won twice with 5 chips, you bring it back down to 4), however here I make an exception when I find myself down only 13 units but having bet with 10 units.  What I did was reference the loss list and saw that as of profit event #4 I was down 20 units and had raised 5 units at that point -- so I dropped the bet amount to 5 units from 13:

Code: [Select]
1) -2
2) -4 U
3) -6 U
4) -8 U
5) -10 U
6) -12 U -42

7) +14 U -28
8] +12 U -16
9) +5 C   -11

10) -8 U
11) -10 U
12) -6 C
13) -16 U
14) -20 U -71

15) +26 U
16) -20 U
17) +26 U -39
18) -20 U -59
19) +26 U -33
20) +20 U -13

I need to continue to experience the deeper progression steps and so I will update that here when I do.  So far this is just smooth, easy profit.

As I continue with my experimentation, I expect that I will develop my own formula for calculating the progression as it goes deeper. 

Btw, this is probably simple ABC roulette to you guys but for me, I am an unschooled hack and so I just have to learn certain things the hard way... X D
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Re: Stepped Progression By Harry J *PROPS!*
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2015, 12:56:17 PM »

10/110   IN MY OWN PLAY i NEVER REACHED THIS LEVEL BUT ABORTED THE PLAY AT A CONVENIENT POINT LONG BEFORE. ACCEPTING A SMALL LOSS  PROVED MORE PROFITABLE THAN CLEARING A LINE THAT LINGERED ON.
       

Hey Harry, can you explain the quote above? 

The only reason I can see for this logic is the forced necessary protection of the bankroll by lowering the unit size.  How do you deal with repeated loss sequences that cause the negative balance to increase?  Isn't raising the only way to come out ahead?
 

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2015, 07:12:26 PM »
  Hi Reyth,   
              My appologies for the delayed reply. We are currently suffering under schedule of up to 6hours of power cuts per day !!  It plays havoc with my computer and leaves me with little time to follow the forum posts.

       In answer to your question, there are a number of factors involved.

   [1] The 1st 3 bets are a martingale, so the start of the progression is delayed some 80% of the   time.
   [2] The progression as laid out gives the player an almost 2/1 advantage. ie. you only need        approx. 1/2 the winning bets to losing bets.
   [3] As all of the EC's can be bet it is possible to do a little judicious swoppimg of lines. Loading all or some of the loss onto an EC pair that are performing well.
   {4] If the loss line rises rapidly to say, 5/25 You have lost 8 bets and require 5 wins. if the  wins do not come quickly because of a run of wins and losses.  The advantage is gradually eroded. it is then better to cancel the line after say 3 extra wins leaving a balance of 5, which can be deducted from previous wins. this usually results in the martingale section  notching up more wins than if you continued to try and clear the line against a run of WL.

      [4] Is the actual answer to your question, but I thought that it would be better to explain my
 basic concept in full. Those who like to gamble a little will have no fear of playing the progression bravely. The advantage is there. I just don't like exposing my bankroll  to the casino. These days I
play what I call 'Trigge Progressions",and after a couple of losing bets switch to a new target. It is very rare that each new target will continue to lose. Remember it takes a run of 7 or 8 to even get the progression started.

      Reyth I have posted this isea before on a couple of other forums. only one player showed interest and dropped the idea when I said it could be played with 50 to 100 units. He seemed to think that a successful system should require thousands. As you seem keen on the idea you are welcome to Email me.    joseyhp@webmail.co.za

      Regards Harry
« Last Edit: June 28, 2015, 07:19:19 PM by Harryj »
 

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Re: Stepped Progression By Harry J *PROPS!*
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2015, 08:02:08 PM »
@Hi Harry,

don't you want to explain a few things about "magnum 44"?
Reyth didn't show the full potential in detail,you know it better than anyone,thus it would be nice if you could drop a few lines.
Mostly about the way you pick the double streets and in general the betting sections.
 

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2015, 04:54:22 PM »
Thanks Harry!

One thing I have found is that sometimes I don't want to accept the loss level where it is at and I take a dive to an even lower level. 

At that point I have been able to whip out the calculator, and raise (debt/x) units rather than just follow the progression which will no longer be able to dig me out.  x can be anything from 2 or greater depending on preference.

I can't say I'm super comfortable using the calculator method.  I pretty much want to get back to par and quit.
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Re: Stepped Progression By Harry J *PROPS!*
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2015, 03:34:20 PM »
  Hi Reyth,
              while the progression can handle adverse  variations of 20+ when it gets up to around 10 I get edgy. You can raise the stake faster to clear the line quicker, but if the table gets nasty it could be costly. I prefer to feed back some of my profit to get out of there in a hurry. As I pointed out in my previous post. I prefer to take a loss and start from par. Those 3 martingale steps are where the profit is.

   This progression was designed for a small bankroll and little risk. Using it I never had a really bad session.

   As you noted it can be adapted and tweaked for other than the even chances. When I used it I was playing around 1300 spins per weekend. I made a steady profit. Unfrtunately the casinos decided to separate the outside and inside numbers with minimums up to 10 times what they were before. I moved my play inside and worked out new strategies that required a different approach.

       Harry
 

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2015, 03:48:54 PM »
Ya I need to dig deep and adopt your minimalist mindset from my heart.  I guess I just am a greedy/impatient player.  I certainly don't like starting over with a loss on the books.  I seriously need help changing that because its a pretty strong instinct.  Maybe if there was just a formula amount that I could follow...
 

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2015, 07:19:56 PM »
  Hi Reyth,
              Keep in mind that roulette is a negative game. The casino has the advantage. If you are going to come out with a whole skin you need to be both clever and patient. There is no law which says you MUST bet every spin or that you MUST keep playing. That is your only real advantage.

       Wait until you see a situation where it seems the chance of winning is better than the odds offered. Don't use long progressions they tie you down until the casino cuts you down. Leave when you are winnig or if you feel the table has turned against you. this sounds easy but it is very hard.

      Try to work out in practice sessions how much you should win if your play goes reasonably well. If you are anywhere near that target when you run into a bad patch. Get out of there !! The casino won't run away. you can always come back another time.

     Divide you bankroll into fairly small daily banks. Only add to your bank if you are absolutely sure that what caused your loss was a total freak once in a lifetime event. In other words don't risk a second chance.

     This all sounds unexciting, but that is how it should be. Excitement means risk. That you don't want !!

    To improve your game you need to know yourself and how you like to play. You need know and  be comfortable with your style of play. If you see a strategy that you like, test it and PLAY IT !  Thats not the same thing.  Get some previous results, or download some. Uncover each number one at a time and play as if you were in a casino You will soon find out if the method suits you.

     Sorry if that was a bit too basic Reyth, but I thought there might be a lot of players out there that were having the same thought as you. Beating the casino isn't easy and you need to be mentally prepared for the battle.

        Regards,
                      Harry
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Re: Stepped Progression By Harry J *PROPS!*
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2015, 07:27:29 PM »
Thanks Harry, your advice is much appreciated!  Now it will be echoing in my subconscious.

WHOAH!  U have a British accent! X D
 

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2015, 07:40:44 PM »
Reyth can never be bored - as long as he himself is in his company...
I would say.
 

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2015, 11:57:32 PM »
I like it Reyth, I like it !
 

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Re: Stepped Progression By Harry J *PROPS!*
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2015, 06:37:01 AM »
 Hello can some one write the full progression with levels.
 I don't understand this explination:

!.2.3.   is this 1 2 3
3/9     is this 3 6  9
4/16    is this 4 8 16
4/20    is this 4 8 20
5/25    is this 5 10 25 and so on
5/30   
6/36
6/42   
7/49   
7/56   
8/64   
8/72   
9/81   
9/90   
10/10   
10/110   

Would this progression work - is it based upon the same idea:
When you lose and are in the negative you move up on level.
When you are on the positive you start from scratch.

1-2-4

1-3-6

2-4-8

2-6-12

3-6-12

3-9-18

4-8-16

4-12-24

5-10-20

5-15-30

7-14-28

7-21-42

9-18-36

9-27-54

12-24-48

12-36-72

15-30-60

15-45-90

« Last Edit: July 01, 2015, 06:39:23 AM by Sputnik »