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Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« on: June 14, 2015, 07:12:00 PM »
At another post,user Sputnik posted the "hot numbers detector",some may already know this as "shower roulette system".
Here is an improvement,it's been called "Don Young".
It used to been sold for 10,000 $,its author gathered literally thousands of results from brick and mortar casinos,then published them including his method which became overall winner on the given results.
I smell reverse engineering in this case,but just a minute! Do you think reverse engineering thousands of results is an easy task to do?? Of course no!
Is it insignificant to create a system/method which could overcome variance and house edge for THOUSANDS of results?? Of course not!
You might say that "Don Young" beats a big but particular amount of results,thus it doesn't worth.
You are wrong because if a system could beat thousand of outcomes,it would probably beat fewer amount of results with ease.
Besides when someone wants to test a system/method uses results from live wheels or RNG's,so I don't really understand the objection of the reversed engineered,which by the way means someone to create a system/method to win based on specific results.
The objection would be valid if the amount of results were 100 or less,but in the particular case we are talking about thousands of live wheels results.
A couple of notes,the author is based on US,therefore he gathered results from American casinos/wheels.
Even if it IS in the overall positive,it's impractical for playing at brick and mortar casino with this way.
You may wonder why,the answer in 2 words: WAITING TIME!
« Last Edit: June 19, 2015, 11:22:49 PM by kav »


 

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Re: Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2015, 07:53:00 PM »
Thanks for sharing.

Patrik
 

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Re: Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2015, 09:11:36 PM »
Thanks for sharing.

Patrik

You are welcome,it's my pleasure!:-)
 

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Re: Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2015, 08:23:28 AM »

 I try to simulate this - each day going to the casino and play the same Wheel.
 And i got a dry spell using this method - maybe is just fluctation.

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Re: Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2015, 11:14:54 AM »
The other was better?
 

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Re: Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2015, 08:39:33 PM »
 
Both Detector and Yong give me negative results.
So maybe is not possibal to Catch short term bias or hot numbers due towards random fluctation.

But i find a method that i will test first to see what kind of attack window to use.
I read that many members had succés using this method - hot numbers.

You first cut the Wheel into 9 sectors with 4 numbers.
Then you give each sector a letter.

Then you track the first 18 results and write down the letter for each outcome and sector.
Now you will get one sector hitting 4 times within a window of 18 events.
That is a hot sector and you play that until you get a new hot sector.
If you get two sectors with 4 hits you play the latest most present.

You do all this on a Rolling basis.
So when you have 19 events you cross of the last oldest hitting sector.
So at all time you have a frech window of 18 events with the hottest sector with 4 numbers.

This is what i will test next.
And i only search for this method so i can play losing as littel as possibal and look like a system player.
I can relax more then when i stand next to the Wheel starring into it and collect data for several hours.

Cheers
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 08:42:11 PM by Sputnik »
 

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Re: Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2015, 09:06:28 PM »
What if you have more than four in a sector?
 

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Re: Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2015, 09:06:23 AM »
 That works - but then you have to change the window of events on Rolling basis.
 As 4 numbers should hit once in 9 trails and a window with 18 events on a Rolling basis you should get two hits - as the expectation - but if you get 4 hits then the sector is hot.
Could even be 3 - but that would be a weak indication.

So if you pick 5 numbers sector - then 1 hit in 6 attempts would give a window of 12 on a Rolling basis - the 12 latest hits - then you have to decide 3 or 4 hits Before each attack.
I have not try this and stay with the original to see if its true that they all has such succés.

First i test by hand - do i get several results with positve gain - then i code it into RX.
I know a guy who code RX and i pay him.
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Re: Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 08:56:01 AM »
It is very easy to program this idea in an excel sheet. I am not familar with RX but I think an excel sheet can give much more information.
 

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Re: Improved version of "hot numbers detector"
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 11:25:02 AM »

Yes - but the question is when to start and quit betting - as hot numbers comes in cycles.
Here is a small test where you can see one sector hitting 4 times within 18 trails.
That is 2 more hits then expectation as you would expect 1 hit within 9 trails.

So the idea is to bet the lastest 4 hits that is hot and continue betting does untill a new sector show hot ( the latest 4 hits).
But when there is no hit during 18 trails betting i Think that would be a good oppertunity to quit betting unitl a new 4 hit sector emerge.

The other solution would be that we would only start betting after a fictive win and then bet until 18 trails loss and then again wait for a fictive win.
That way we would only bet then hot number are present.

This is how it looks like - i use Wheels layout - because if you hit a real bias sector - then you would have the data to only follow that sector.
So this kind of play would allow you to play and in the same time collect data.
Exactly what i have been looking for.

SECTORS

1 - 26 0 32 15 19

2- 4 21 2 25

3 - 17 34 6 27

4 - 13 36 11 30

5 - 8 23 10 5

6 - 24 16 33 1

7 - 20 14 31 9

8 - 22 18 29 7

9 - 28 12 35 3

A short sample of TRNGs

13   4 
24   6
13   4     
30   4 
15   1
13   4 
26   1 L
27   3 L 
23   5 L
4   2 L
16   6 L
19   1 L
6   3 L
22   8 L
17   3 L
31   7 L
17   3 L
17   3 W
22   8 L
11   4 L
23   5 L
28   9 L   
29   8 L
7   8 L
18   8 W
33   6 L
16   6 L
20   7 L
22   8 W
22   8 W
19   1 L
12   9 L
2   2 L
4   2 L
34   3 L
4   2 L
21   2 L
21   2 W
28   9 L
29   8 L
17   3 L
9   7 L
17   3 L
31   7 L
20   7 L
30   4 L
29   8 L
18   8 W
4   2 L
21    2 W
4   2 W
14   7 L
7   8 L
13   4 L
8   5 L
27   3 L
25   2 L
19   1 L
25    2 W
9   7 L
13   4 L
4   2 L
19   1 L
8       5 L
25      2 W
21   2 W
33   6 L
8   5 L
34   3 L
20    7 L
13   4 L
23   5 L
12   9 L
35   9 L
29   8 L
34   3 L
24   6
9   7
4   2
19   1
14   7