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#### weirdenglish

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##### Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« on: May 28, 2015, 08:45:09 AM »
Hi,
I am Weirdenglish.

If U know, say, that in the next 100 bet, a particular dozen , say,dozen one will hit 33 time,[ just forget the zero].
then how are u going to bet, to win at least 1 unit.

1]the single dozen one.
2]The double dozen bet, namely two and dozen three together?

Thanks.

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2015, 09:13:46 AM »
Hello weird and welcome to the forum.

You are the first one to take advantage of the option to post in this board without registration. Btw, free to register and be a member, so you can see what's new every time you log in.

Now to your question. I really love this kind of Hypothetical questions. I ask hypothetical questions to myself very often. I believe this is a great way of thinking. At least it works for me. Many people have problem understanding hypothetical questions or their use. Some of them may tell you "hey! you CAN'T be sure a dozen will hit 33 times!". Anyway...

Let me put a basis to your question as I see it.
The problem is that we do not know WHEN those 33 will come. They may come at the start of the 100 spins or at the end, or spread out thru-out the 100 spins or half at the beginning and half at the end etc. If we knew when the 33 hits will appear, then it would be EXTREMELY EASY to devise a safe and profitable progression to make money.
Furthermore, whatever strategy or progression we use it should not exceed table maximum and the betting should not exceed our bankroll. Therefore when posing this type of questions, one should also define a table maximum and a bankroll. One should define these not in \$ but in minimum playing units, say table maximum = 300 units (unit=minimum bet) and bankroll = 1000 units. In most casinos the table maximum for dozens is roughly around 250 units/chips.

To sum it up. You want 2 progression that will be 100% winners without exceeding a table maximum of 250 units and without exceeding a bankroll of say 3000 units.
One progression will be for two dozens that will hit 66 times in 100 spins and the other progression will be for one dozen that hits 33 times in 100 spins.

#### scepticus

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 02:36:13 PM »
I have been betting Roulette for many years , Weirdenglish, and would strongly advise against betting two dozens at the same time .

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2015, 08:12:41 AM »
The problem I see with this is that to survive you are going to need some type of progression, therefore I would agree with scepticus that the single dozen bet is the preferred option.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2015, 08:37:34 AM by Trilobite »

#### weirdenglish

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2015, 09:30:16 AM »
Gentlemen,

Worst possible hit per 100spins  for single dozen,
that they may only 15hit/100spins mathematically.

yes 15hit in 100 spins!

Averages=33/100.

thus...

if we divided 100 spins into  ,
ten session of 10 spins each,

for example, in a hypothesis , next 100 will=30hit/100spins,

every 10spins, will have 3hits, but of course in reality,

the hit will loaded/cluttered in front, middle, or back end,of 100spins, thus...

the worst will be

1]no hit, ZERO HIT per 10 spins,0/10spins to the

2] best 10 hit in 10 spins.=10hit/10spins
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so HOW are we going to bet with this phenomenon?

1]we  not play, wait and see how the session going,

wait for the worst to happen in the first half, 50spins

and we bet he other half [50spin]!?

example, if the first 50spins have
only , say, 10hit in 50 spins,

then the other will have around 20hit/50spins...

2]if the fist half [50spins] loaded with hits,

then we ignore the 2nd half!?
example, 20hit/50spins, then the other 50spin will have 10/50spins.

3]If dispersed evenly, we bet the other half accordingly!?

example 15/50, thus there may be 15hit/ next 50spin

I understand there will be less than 30 hit/100, as there may be ONLY 15hit in 100spins!
That the risk!

The other idea is

in next 100 spins, DIVIDED into 10spins group/session,

Thus , hypothetically,
if next 100 will have 30hits,
then...

1]WORST possible=0/10spins.

2]BEST=10hit/10spins

3]AVERAGE=3/10

How are we going to bet a  session with progression for 10 spins only..

repeat, for BET FOR 10spins only. cut loss. if lose.

thus a session losses will be compensated by two profitable session?

example;

THE PROBABILITY OF 10SPINS SESSION.

bet 10 spins=0hit/10spins=LOSE=X

bet 10 spins=2hit/10spins=win/LOSE=A

bet 10 spins=3hit/10spins=win/LOSE=B

bet 10 spins=4hit/10spins=win/LOSE=C

bet 10 spins=5hit/10spins=win/LOSE=D

bet 10 spins=6hit/10spins=win/LOSE=E

bet 10 spins=7hit/10spins=win/LOSE=F

bet 10 spins=8hit/10spins=win/LOSE=G

bet 10 spins=9hit/10spins=win/LOSE=H

bet 10 spins=10hit/10spins=win/LOSE=Y

THUS , after a few season, we back out if first few season hit profit,

and if first few season losses,
we move on, till profit, or hope two to three profit will off-set the other ten spin/session losses!

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Maybe u already know this idea before,

Thank u so much for your time,

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2015, 12:00:10 PM »
In a bad run I do not like to lose at twice speed. Dozen if played, just one!    Everytime we hedge we may win (get paid out) more often, but the extreme is then to bet all numbers and know we lose small and never win. Opposite is a longer shot, lose small and may win large.

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2015, 01:19:10 PM »
I agree with Jesper on this one, Weirdenglish.
Why not try it on a free roulette site ? That is, I think . the best way to try out a new strategy .That way you get the feel for how to bet it in a real casino - or online.
Actually betting real money affects our emotions and unless you become familiar with placing your bets you can become muddled and make the wrong bet.But don't think that if it wins megabucks in the trial then you have found the Holy Grail.The results only apply to that  particular series of results and there are gazillions of them ! 37x37x37zzzzzzzz.
Personally, I think any new idea should first be tested in either free mode - or  for real - before being posted in the forum.
Keep at it W.

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2015, 11:06:51 AM »
A player shall never play a fixed number spins or time. The result of the next spin is unpredictable. A player with a plan expect a profit  within a certain number of spins. The table limit is to double the initial bet 10 times. My SSB program (not System)   expect a profit within 10 spins. The wager is on an event that has an expectation of 2^20.
The HE tells us that the wager on one dozen on the long run much better is than one unit on two dozens.
In spite of this I wager allways two dozens after a sequence of 4 consecutive dozen.
The chance of 5 consecutive dozens is 1 in 243 spins. The risk of a loss is very small. My opponents shall argue that the hit chance  is still 2x2.7%.

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2015, 07:00:10 PM »
A matter of opinion , Dobbelsteen.
Betting that a particular  dozen wins twice in a row yields an 8 / 1.profit . 3 times in a row a profit of 26 and 4 times in a row a profit of 80 units.  Whereas betting 2 dozens in the same spin is a 1 in 2 shot.
Depends on using a particular strategy  - and WHICH particular strategy  !
A matter of perception , I think .

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2015, 01:47:28 AM »
The chance of 5 consecutive dozens is 1 in 243 spins. The risk of a loss is very small. My opponents shall argue INCORRECTLY that the hit chance  is still 2x2.7%.

FTFY.

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 05:31:23 AM »
A good dozen strategy in my experience is to wait for one dozen to appear 3 times in a row and than bet the other two dozen. If the same dozen comes again and you loose your bet than dont do anything let it run it course. Then wait again for any dozen to come three times and than bet the other two but this time you double the bet to recover the loss in the previous bet.
This strategy needs lots of patience and focus as the player needs to keep track how many units he lost, how much he needs to double also better to play where there are multiple tables so u dont have to wait for too long for 3 dozens to come often so you have to keep looking for that as well.
if you can juggle all these aspects of the startegy, its not very hard to make small profits everyday....

« Last Edit: June 19, 2015, 10:25:02 AM by Reyth »

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 10:25:24 AM »
If you can wait 6 times, you may never see a loss...

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2015, 01:41:00 PM »
A good dozen strategy in my experience is to wait for one dozen to appear 3 times in a row and than bet the other two dozen. If the same dozen comes again and you loose your bet than dont do anything let it run it course. Then wait again for any dozen to come three times and than bet the other two but this time you double the bet to recover the loss in the previous bet.
This strategy needs lots of patience and focus as the player needs to keep track how many units he lost, how much he needs to double also better to play where there are multiple tables so u dont have to wait for too long for 3 dozens to come often so you have to keep looking for that as well.
if you can juggle all these aspects of the startegy, its not very hard to make small profits everyday....

Not hard to make small profits every day , Shak ? You WISH  !

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2015, 08:22:17 PM »
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If you can wait 6 times, you may never see a loss...

I'm sorry but the idea that past spins have any effect on a future spin or the next series of spins is ludicrous.
Basic probability proves otherwise.

« Last Edit: June 20, 2015, 08:16:49 AM by Reyth »

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##### Re: Betting single & DOUBLE DOZEN.
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2015, 01:16:34 AM »
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If you can wait 6 times, you may never see a loss...

I'm sorry but the idea that past spins have any effect on a future spin or the next series of spins is ludicrous.
Basic probability proves otherwise.

Is it better to leave people blissfully ignorant?

Perhaps it would be better for you to instruct them your method of calculating how many consecutive times a single dozen could be absent.
Divide the total by 2 and repeat till you reach zero.
Count how many times you have divided the sum till you reach zero and you have your answer.
Thus,for 2 dozens would be the half of what you find for a single dozen.

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