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#### BlueAngel

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##### The Professional Bet
« on: May 19, 2015, 02:50:27 PM »
Stand by the table and look at the matrix,what do you see?
If for example you see as the last spun number the 7,then bet the 7,its 4 neighbours from the left and its 4 neighbours from the right for a total of 9 numbers with 1 unit each.
If this bet wins,repeat the process by adjusting the center of the bet to the new number.
If the bet lost,bet again the same 9 numbers but this time include the new number with its 4 neighbours from the left and right side for a total of 18 numbers.
If you win,return to the 9 numbers betting with the latest spun number.
If you lose twice in a row,there are 2 options,first is to stop and wait for a virtual win,in other words a bet which would have won if you had bet it.
The second option is to bet the previous 18 numbers plus 9 more from the latest number but this time with 4 units on every number (27x4=108)
What I'm doing is to use the second option till I lost it,but on the mean time I'm winning much more bets than the eventual -108 units.
If you win on the first bet (9 numbers) you win 27 units,if you win on the second bet,you would gain 9 units,if you win on the third bet,you would net 9 units.
Alternative option is to stop the session on a net gain of 108 units,thus before losing 3 times in a row.
Whatever way you play it,if you find yourself winning or losing 108 units,you should stop immediately.
A final note,there are cases which the ball lands just 1 or 2 pockets from our betting selection,in other words the 9 pockets segment conflicts with another,on such cases you should extend the range of the central number (last spun number) in order to bet the same amount of numbers but without any gaps and without placing 2 chips on any number.
I've tried with good to very good results,there would be situations which you will lose 3 times in a row,but those will be overwhelmed by the majority of positive ones.

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2015, 04:32:06 PM »
As a matter of interest, BA, why do you call it " A Professional Bet " ?
Are you a professional roulette player like REAL /MOMU (man of many usernames ) ?
Your idea seems just an extension of the Neighbours Bet ( as is REAL's ).
I am not rubbishing your idea but I think it would work just as well with level stakes.
Stop at 3 losses  3 x 9 = 27.
1st wins =+ 27.
1st losses 2nd wins = +18
First 2 lose  3rd wins = +9
As ever, I don't recommend progressions unless the idea works with level stakes .
Just my opinion - which few share !

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2015, 05:26:53 PM »
As a matter of interest, BA, why do you call it " A Professional Bet " ?
Are you a professional roulette player like REAL /MOMU (man of many usernames ) ?
Your idea seems just an extension of the Neighbours Bet ( as is REAL's ).
I am not rubbishing your idea but I think it would work just as well with level stakes.
Stop at 3 losses  3 x 9 = 27.
1st wins =+ 27.
1st losses 2nd wins = +18
First 2 lose  3rd wins = +9
As ever, I don't recommend progressions unless the idea works with level stakes .
Just my opinion - which few share !

Except the suggestion about the progression,what do you think about it?
I was unaware of the similarity with Real's,I've called this way because the professional (not recreational) players are betting according the wheel's layout (not table's layout)
Real is not my friend,nor I have any affiliation and/or relationship with him,but I've to admit that he has a point,at least most of the times.
In general I agree with your thinking,to check it first how could perform with flat stakes because a progression would make the good better and the bad worst.

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2015, 08:49:45 PM »
What REAL  / MOMU , does is identify a number then bet it and it's neighbours. His is just a different way of identifying the relevant group. He also thinks that betting the last five numbers has merit while you identify one of his five.
I think your idea has merit in the sense that you bet 9 numbers so should, in theory, win 1 in 4 spins , ignoring the zero. I think that there are better ways of choosing WHAT to bet but yours is better than " think of a number " .
The bottom line is "Does it produce a profit". So far as I'm concerned that is what gambling is about - not discussing / arguing about "The Long Run" or " The Maths " .
We are at a disadvantage but that does NOT mean we are destined to lose .

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2015, 09:32:13 PM »
A number bet with 4 neighpours  is a 9number bet. The hit chance is 9x2.7=24.3%. The weakness is , you must start with 9 units. The 36 feature makes it possible to start a 9 number bet with 2 units. 36 Is the key. Is the last number 25 then the trigger number is 36-25=11 and  the bet patron one unit on DS 7/12 and one unit on DS 10. For zero ,1 and 2 bet Street 34/36 and DS 28/33 . For 34 ,35 and 36 bet quater 0/1/2/3 and Street 4/6. Start betting after a 10 no hit event.
This method is more suitable for a strategy.

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2015, 10:08:42 PM »
I think it is a matter of opinion, Dobbel.
Yours wins 4 chips if a hit.  BA's wins 27 if a hit .
Using my Nine Column Block you could bet it's 3rd Dozen and it's 3rd Column (  20 numbers  )  minus the Reds or Blacks in them .If 9 numbers or less then you have a 3/1 shot . This assumes that Red and Black are equally likely.So are they equally likely ?

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2015, 03:55:38 PM »
Suppose the last number is 23, the trigger number is 13 and bet DS 12/15 and DS 13/18 , a hit on number 13 14 and 15 gives a payout of 12 units and a profit of 10 units. The other hit numbers payout 6 units with a profit of 4 units.
The bet of only 2 units makes it possible to bet a progresive betting  scheme A bet of 9 units required a much larger bankroll.

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2015, 08:51:03 PM »
The odds against any of your 9 numbers occurring is  1 in 4 and your 13-14-15 is 1 in 12.( leaving aside the zero ) .You also assume a steady  progression .
I would rather stick with your Main Street 13-14-15 ( a 1point bet ) and bet progressively with it. Much cheaper and if fortune smiles a better profit.
As you may remember  from another site, I think 2 Double Streets can be profitable  so, in many ways, our approach is similar.
Anyway, the best of luck with your betting.

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2015, 06:18:57 PM »
Suppose the last number is 23, the trigger number is 13 and bet DS 12/15 and DS 13/18 , a hit on number 13 14 and 15 gives a payout of 12 units and a profit of 10 units. The other hit numbers payout 6 units with a profit of 4 units.
The bet of only 2 units makes it possible to bet a progresive betting  scheme A bet of 9 units required a much larger bankroll.

Yes,it's true.But also wins more money,however the real advantage it's not because my way wins more,but because the betting selection is continuous pockets on the wheel layout (the source of the results) while your method is 1 pocket here and one pocket over there,it's much easier to lose because when the ball jumps a bit from pocket to the next,you will lose but I won't while I'm betting the same amount of numbers.
Therefore I don't mind to invest more in order to gain more money.

By answering just 2 simple questions,you may discover the secret of winning roulette.

First question: Why the wheel layout is different from the table layout? They could do the wheel's layout like the table's or vice verse but they didn't!
Second question: Why the croupiers are changing every 30 to 40 minutes? Their working shift is NOT ending,they just move from one table to another.
Answer these 2 questions,NOT for me,for YOU!

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2015, 07:45:38 PM »
First Question - The table layout is easier for newcomers to  find where any particular number is. 1-2-3-4-5-6 etc. just like we were taught in school. Here in the UK many ( most  ? ) tables have a " racetrack " which has the same layout as the wheel for those who want to bet the " neighbours " . We need the table to place our bets, it is impracticable to put our money on the wheel.
Second Question - In my local casino the time spent at any particular table varies . If they are short staffed  I have seen the same croupier at a table for nearly an hour - while I have sat at that same table for two hours  !
I think too much credence is given to "evidence" of casinos making things difficult for punters.
On the contrary .They need punters to keep coming back . That's why they give " freebies ".
Let's concentrate on our betting and leave the psychology to psychologists .

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2015, 11:35:49 PM »
In Portugal there are two casinos where the wheel layout is continuous. from 0 to 36. Does it really make a difference?

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2015, 01:00:02 AM »
Not in my opinion. If each spin is random then the wheel's layout has no effect whatsoever on the result .Which is probably why they have designed the wheel in such a strange fashion.
Strange, though .The first time I have heard about such a layout .
( I checked the date. It isn't the 1st. of April  !  )

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2015, 02:28:45 AM »
32-15-19-4...
1-2-3-4...

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2015, 03:38:52 AM »
Guys,

Just neighboring the last number to have hit isn't going to do what you're hoping it will accomplish.  You'll find the results are actually quite random.  I can easily provide you with histograms demonstrating it if you'd like.

You would be better off paying close attention to the actual location of the ball after a few revolutions in relation to a dominant ball drop location on the bowl, (or when you believe there's a specific number of revolutions remaining), and estimating how far the wheel will travel during the remaining revs based on it's current speed.

If you want to do something simpler then at least consider the following crude alternative:

Look to see how many pockets the ball traveled from the last number... before striking a specific location on the rotor.  Next use this yardage when the wheel is traveling at the same wheel speed, and spinning in the same direction.  It's very crude, but at least it's better than blindly neighboring the last number to have hit.

Best of luck,

-Real

« Last Edit: June 03, 2015, 03:59:07 AM by Real »

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##### Re: The Professional Bet
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2015, 11:54:48 AM »
The lay-out of the French roulette is one of the most beautiful lay-outs. It is famous by the special features.
Scienific the lay-out has no influence on the random sequence. Years ago the Goldenten roulette had also a lay-out with a consecutive distribution of the numbers.