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Re: What if...
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2015, 10:23:35 PM »
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Re: What if...
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2015, 11:21:54 PM »
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Re: What if...
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2015, 01:00:52 AM »
Blue Angel,

Basically the author is ...  He's applying terms that have no application to roulette in an attempt to dazzle the reader.

But if you are right,why to do so? He is not trying to sell something in order to deceive readers,so it doesn't make any sense to support something which he doesn't believe.
It would make more sense if you said that what he is writing about is wrong because...(explain specifically what is you don't agree)
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Re: What if...
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2015, 06:02:50 AM »
There's so much bs in it that I don't know where to begin.
 

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Re: What if...
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2015, 04:23:19 PM »
There's so much bs in it that I don't know where to begin.

You are very welcome to express whatever you believe in polite manner,you might start with the basic and then move on to the secondary.
Usually you don't have the opportunity to discuss in details about why you reject a system/method,but I believe that this topic is proper for you to explain what's your (op)position and why.
You have to admit that this topic is different from the majority,so here is the chance to answer to those who are accusing you that you only apply non constructive criticism throughout the whole forum.
Would you seize the opportunity?
 

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Re: What if...
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2015, 08:03:24 PM »
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This rewrite of Cracking Pi Cracking Random will provide yet another opportunity to clarify what should have been part of public education for the past two hundred years. The only matter about Quantum Mechanics and Bell's Theorem that is difficult is setting up and working with the machinery of a particle splitter and interpreting the results. It is the methodology, not the complexity of the experiment, that makes the magic of Quantum theory ...and that's as simple now as it was when Isaac Newton used it to predict the orbit of comets three hundred years ago.Here is how fundamentally simple it is: take three random measurements ...eliminate the middle measurement ...predict the third measurement to be relative opposing pole of the first. In a game or circumstance of pure randomness in a two dimensional game (NOT found with Random Number Generators) the relativity is predictably found at the relative pi-angle pole. In a three dimensional field such as the orbit of a comet, the relativity is found at a relative angle of 60 degrees. This is discussed in the text body of  Cracking Pi.This is the fundamental methodology of "action at a distance." The basic methodology may be expanded from here. The expansion includes a deeper finesse and often a minor shift of the relative pi-angle pole or a complete shift to the diameter base.


The above is absolutely BS.  Quantum Mechanics used in roulette?  Seriously?  The author simply took phrases from other people's work on quantum mechanics, etc.. and then cut and pasted it into a roulette story.  It's bunk!  It's absurd!  And it just goes on and on and on wandering in different directions without reason or logic.
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Re: What if...
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2015, 01:44:32 PM »
I have read this paper with great interest.
I am glad to be an agnost.
It is hard to prove infinite questions.
I believe in the nano theory and cience.

 I missed in the paper an important phenomenon of the real roulette.
The 4 handles and the fixed release place of the ball makes the real roulette not true. In the past I have tryed to discover the hotspots on the circumference . Very often the angle between the spots are close to 90 degrees.
 

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Re: What if...
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2015, 08:10:53 PM »
Look,

This is an area where I am an expert.  If you want to see real charts, and graphs that demonstrate the real data, then let me know.  However, the article, as it's written is complete and utter bulls***.  It uses phrases and words out of context in ridiculous applications.

There is no magical location on which you can bet across all wheels.  Such information is unique to each wheel, ball used, wheels speed, etc...

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Re: What if...
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2015, 07:13:45 AM »

There is no magical location on which you can bet across all wheels.  Such information is unique to each wheel, ball used, wheels speed, etc...


This is the key difference between advantage play and systems. The system players are looking for some generic solution which applies to all wheels, that's why they're obsessed with "triggers" and statistics, patterns and progressions. None of that makes a damn bit of difference to the player's chances of winning.

Only the casino has the generic solution which applies to all wheels (the house edge). Punters have to be more discriminating. The game is the same for all wheels, but all wheels are not the same. Therein lies the edge, if any.

This sure seems to be a hard lesson to learn, for some.
 

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Re: What if...
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2015, 08:44:56 AM »
 BA:After reading this paper what are your conclusions?
 

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Re: What if...
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2015, 09:14:33 AM »

This is the key difference between advantage play and systems. The system players are looking for some generic solution which applies to all wheels, that's why they're obsessed with "triggers" and statistics, patterns and progressions. None of that makes a damn bit of difference to the player's chances of winning.

I doubt about last sentence here but it is another thing to discuss.

For me it is funny how many people and even Real here are constantly preaching how the HE is the main problem of losing and nothing but the AP can bring longterm profit.

But for now just theoretically imagine this. You play EC-s and you have betselection which somehow gives you perfectly balanced results like LWLWLWLW0LWLW0LWL... all the time. Now you would still face zero from time to time of course and you are nothing but the looser who doesn't have an edge (for some). But would you care for that when you just need to apply mild progression and win every session? NO.

One can have mild edge and face larger DD-s then one without it with right betselection. Be in no doubt. If or how that can be done is another subject.
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Re: What if...
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2015, 10:21:06 AM »
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Re: What if...
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2015, 11:43:03 AM »
What I believe is that HE alone is not the main reason one could lose a session.
Since a session is never long term,thus we blame variance because it's different of what we bet.
Instead of expecting variance to change,why don't we adjust our betting according the variance??
Balance in the short term is no sense,on the other hand to have as a guide facts of long term distributions when every session you play is short term,that's another no sense.
Many short term sessions,therefore many unbalances are creating the long term balance,for example one session ends with domination of Even and the next session ends with domination of Odd,these events are not odd,are normal,ordinary.
The one who seeks for the unbalances it's more than certain that he will find them with one way or the other...
 

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Re: What if...
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2015, 11:46:42 AM »
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If you want to see real charts, and graphs that demonstrate the real data, then let me know.

Could you...?
 

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Re: What if...
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2015, 11:57:35 AM »

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But for now just theoretically imagine this. You play EC-s and you have betselection which somehow gives you perfectly balanced results like LWLWLWLW0LWLW0LWL... all the time. Now you would still face zero from time to time of course and you are nothing but the looser who doesn't have an edge (for some). But would you care for that when you just need to apply mild progression and win every session? NO.

After enough trials, the house edge is the main reason that players lose.  Furthermore, the house edge isn't just present on the zeros.  It exists on all of the numbers.  This is easily demonstrated mathematically as well.

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Could you...?


Yes. 

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