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The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!
« on: May 09, 2015, 04:29:39 PM »
Many years have passed since the foundation of the game and still people around the world are in their individual quest for discovering the holy grail.
We have to ask ourselves; Is it realistic expectation or is it vanity??
What exactly do you expect to find and what is the definition of reality for you?
Along the long path of history,knowledge has been evolved,thus perception has been shaped accordingly.
When perception changes,your reality is changing..."the world you be is the world you see..."
By understanding a partial reality,I'm not influencing the whole of what is real,nor any of its parts,what I actually change is my angle of perception,in other words the level of my consciousness/awareness.
While no single existing system has perpetually succeed to cease all of the so-called "loopholes", each one of all those "loopholes" has been blocked in by at least one system.
Thus, to maintain a two dimensional mentality in a three dimensional world,YOU are framing yourself.
The champions of mainstream theory support that each and every result is independent from the previous.
Probably you have heard: "roulette has no memory" and every time I recall it I lough very hard!
So,if you ask me,I'd respond that there is correlation between outcomes and this does NOT have to do with MEMORY! ::)
So who's right and who's wrong??
My answer is EVERYONE and NO ONE!
Everyone partially,up to a certain extend,BUT no one as a WHOLE!
In my point of view,no one can comprehend the COMPLETE "picture" because it's too big and regarding your approach you see ONLY a different part of the WHOLE.
If we were to interpret this generic theory in roulette terms,one could not satisfy all parameters with a single method.
Like Greek ancient philosopher once said: "The only constant (in universe) is change (evolution)
So when some see only randomness in action,I see the chain re-actions unfolding before my eyes...
I hope to contribute for a greater degree of understanding the events/facts.


 

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Re: The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2015, 02:25:09 AM »
I believe that both forces are at work and are true:

1) Each spin of the wheel is exactly the same as the last and is in no way dependent upon previous results.

2) Built into that same event is the force of equal distribution that ultimately brings order to the outcome of events.

Equal distribution is proven by experiments and can be used to create a winning edge in random chance games if the parameters of the game will allow it and the experiments are properly conducted.  This is the constant battle between the casino and the players.

The biggest obstacle I find is the table limits.  Maybe just as big or maybe bigger is the theoretical nature of odds/probability where you can (practically speaking) never to get to a full 100% chance of an event occurring; no matter what those .99999's roll off endlessly so that some statistician can always say "though highly improbable, its still possible".
 

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Re: The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2015, 07:03:39 AM »
I don't agree but I respect your opinion.
Actually what you said is what the mainstream theory supports, independence from one result to the next and balanced over the long term.
I'm not really interested about what the majority believes and exercises, or not,for me is important to analyze facts...
Is the majority of players at the positive side?
I think you have the answer,regarding the rules of the game,can I select when and what to bet?
I think you got this too.
Thus,this is all I need to know.
One more thing,what's the probability to predict 2 consecutive outcomes (numbers)?

 

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Re: The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2015, 04:22:01 PM »

The champions of mainstream theory support that each and every result is independent from the previous.
Probably you have heard: "roulette has no memory" and every time I recall it I lough very hard!
So,if you ask me,I'd respond that there is correlation between outcomes and this does NOT have to do with MEMORY! ::)


BlueAngel,

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but correlation between outcomes does not imply any dependence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Are you suggesting otherwise? I must say, your posts are a little odd for a self-confessed advantage player.
 

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Re: The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2015, 06:04:12 PM »
Well,all are coming down to interpretation...
If for example I arrive at a table and see 5 Black numbers and bet Red EC,this is NOT the way I connect decisions.
If I wait for virtual losses before I bet,this is NOT my "cup of coffee".
But if it happens to know that in cycle of 37 results,an average of 24 numbers will appear approximately 90% of all times,then I have a solid base to move on.
The last one is about statistical facts,the previous about fallacy.
If I can win 90% of all times by backing cold hard facts,then I can consider something like a progression in order to maximize my wins and minimize my losses.
But to speak about progressions without any method of bet selection is completely foolish.
I'm not suggesting that numbers are becoming more possible to come because they have disappeared or appeared for some time.
There are many intentional and/or unintentional interpretations on law of the third...the reason it happens it's not because of "cold" or "warm" numbers and/or sectors,it's because of a very simple fact...the more of the unique numbers (non repeaters) gathered,the more is the probability of a repeater.
So after 18 unique numbers with 3 up to 6 repeaters,it's a turning point for the repeaters because from this point will occur with greater frequency.
One should expect to see more repeaters in the final third of the cycle and that's a fact,not just my opinion.
To summarize,I don't believe in "hot" or "cold" bets regarding their appearance and/or disappearance.
Let's say that instead of numbers,the pockets of the wheel's layout had letters, A,B,C...etc
When there is a J and then an I, I'm going to bet M because JIM is my name,this is just an example of bias confirmation,or in other words,we can't expect it to happen just because we have bet it!
I hope I made myself clear.
 

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Re: The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2015, 06:59:50 PM »
The law of the third?  Seriously?

That's like saying that you can exploit the law of 1 in 37!

Knowing the probability doesn't enable you to side step probabilty and win, since the payoff will always be short of what probability dictates as being fair.   You need to read more on the history of the game.
 

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Re: The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2015, 07:19:24 PM »
The law of the third?  Seriously?

That's like saying that you can exploit the law of 1 in 37!

Knowing the probability doesn't enable you to side step probabilty and win, since the payoff will always be short of what probability dictates as being fair.   You need to read more on the history of the game.

I see you have become a great contributor by repeating almost the same in every thread.
I'm not trying to sidestep probability,I'm going with the probability.
@ Sacker You may consider my methods unconventional...but this is my own business.
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Re: The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2015, 09:39:58 PM »
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I see you have become a great contributor by repeating almost the same in every thread.
I'm not trying to sidestep probability,I'm going with the probability.
@ Sacker You may consider my methods unconventional...but this is my own business.-BP

It's difficult to teach children multiplication and division when they still don't grasp addition and subtraction.
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Re: The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2015, 10:33:11 PM »
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I see you have become a great contributor by repeating almost the same in every thread.
I'm not trying to sidestep probability,I'm going with the probability.
@ Sacker You may consider my methods unconventional...but this is my own business.-BP

It's difficult to teach children multiplication and division when they still don't grasp addition and subtraction.

Indeed!
By the way I have a question,it won't be any problem for such an expert as you are.
Why are the croupiers are changing every half to 1 hour???
Is it because their shift finishes? Is it because they have to sit down and have a cup of coffee?
Is it because they are not allowed to speak and be friendly with players?
Is it because if I work with a croupier in a sneaky way...I could not find him if he/she moves from table to table?
Is it because croupiers can be predictable after half an hour or so?
What appeals more to your logic???