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New Systems suggestions
« on: July 08, 2010, 01:28:49 PM »
Hello,

And welcome to all the new members (Mr J, FreeRoulette, albalaha and all the othes)
I'm sure you guys know and can post various interesting systems.
Our dream is for this site to become sort of a database, an archive of valuable information about roulette.

There are many systems posted all over the web, on Roulette forums and various other sites. What often bothers me is that they are often mere descriptions of bet selections and/or progressions. Even if a person describes his own system, rarely cares enough to explain the idea behind it and/or the advantages and disadvantages of his approach. So let me please ask you, that when you post a roulette system, you try and comment on it a bit, like what is the underlying thought or its advantages and disadvantages. This way your (posting of) systems can be even more valuable and interesting (it is also an indication of the thought that went into the system itself) for the present and future readers.

For ideas you can check out how we describe roulette systems at Roulette 30. (our main site)

Thank you all very much.
Looking forward to the first system posting ;)


 
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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2014, 04:24:01 AM »
Hello,

And welcome to all the new members (Mr J, FreeRoulette, albalaha and all the othes)
I'm sure you guys know and can post various interesting systems.
Our dream is for this site to become sort of a database, an archive of valuable information about roulette.

There are many systems posted all over the web, on Roulette forums and various other sites. What often bothers me is that they are often mere descriptions of bet selections and/or progressions. Even if a person describes his own system, rarely cares enough to explain the idea behind it and/or the advantages and disadvantages of his approach. So let me please ask you, that when you post a roulette system, you try and comment on it a bit, like what is the underlying thought or its advantages and disadvantages. This way your (posting of) systems can be even more valuable and interesting (it is also an indication of the thought that went into the system itself) for the present and future readers.

For ideas you can check out how we describe roulette systems at Roulette 30. (our main site)

Thank you all very much.
Looking forward to the first system posting ;)

Here is a system that works much more frequently than not.
On a score card like the one I show in the pic. below, you place a DOT next to the line where each spun number belongs to. By line I mean 3 numbers in the same line ( I call it TRAVERSE). As numbers come out you keep posting them in their respective line by a dot. After a while you will notice that some lines (traverses) will appear more frequently than others. ( HAVE MORE DOTS). What you are looking for is just 3 lines (9 numbers total), that clearly prevail among all 12 lines in the table.
Once you determine the 3 front runner lines you start betting on them. (in the pic. they would be 4-5-6,  19-20-21,  and 28,29,30 ).
The LOGIC behind it is that when some groups become trendy (appearing more often than others), as it is the case with these 3 lines in the pic. they cannot simply shut down and stop appearing after you start betting. NOT ALL 3 OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. One of the 9 numbers in the 3 groups of lines is bound to appear at least one more time in the next 1 to 7 spins. Once you hit it, you stop and start all over again with another score card. It's not that hard to make a progression schedule for 3 lines to make sure there is profit at any time you hit it. And being only 9 numbers the progression is very cheap and won't wipe out your bankroll. I would bet these 3 lines for about 8 spins, and if they don't appear I would stop. YOU CAN ALSO APPLY VIRTUAL LOSS BETS for the first 3-4 spins and then actual money bets for another 5 spins. I found this system very hard to lose. VERY NICE SYSTEM, few numbers (bigger payoffs), LOW PROGRESSION RISK, and a LOGIC behind it that makes a lot of sense. (A clear trend in 3 different groups cannot normally shut down, in all 3 groups at the same time).
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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2014, 07:23:52 PM »
 
My system that I am currently using is very simple, all I do is wait for a string of 10 repetitions, example: 10 odds in a row, 10 lows or highs in a row etcetc or a zig zag of 10 red and black, but Im not too keen on betting on strings of one colour for some reason as it seams alot more tense and likley to carry on the string past 15 repetitions for some reason but that could be in my mind; then start betting using a martingale progression untill I win or reach the 6th bet in which case Id end the progression in defeat. Its only happend twice and most bets win on the first or second bet!
I started this system online exactly 3 months ago with a bankroll of £200 and am now up to £1925 and I also work 50 hours a week in my family business so dont play every day.

-Marios
 
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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2014, 07:30:42 PM »
 
As I finished the above post I logged streight on to the casino saw 13 reds in succession and bet £5 on black which hit first time so my balance is now £1930!
It may sound boring waiting around for a long string before betting but where I play theres 11 LIVE tables to scan so these strings happen more frequently than you might think.

-Marios
 

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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2014, 01:24:21 PM »
Your system is a very old "kamikaze system",but I hope that your luck could continue.
In order to speed up the game,you can bet just  the opposite of last ten decisions.
In fact is exactly what you are doing when you wait for ten Red,Black,...etc in a row and then you place your bets on the other colour
Your probability is the same:basic math!
 

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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2014, 09:43:20 PM »
It has little to do with mathematics, it is not just a case of a 50 50 bet even chance. After 15 reds there is more chance of a black coming in the next few spins, I dont care what anyone says about gamblers fallacy, there is a law that you are overlooking, the law of balance which is why you dont see strings of 100 reds for example! You see 10 and then it changes, or you see 15 - 18 as a rare exeption then it changes, or once in history was 25 in Monte Carlo, which is why we have a stop loss!
There is a reason why Im a winner and not a loser.

-Marios
 

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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2014, 12:09:03 AM »
It has little to do with mathematics, it is not just a case of a 50 50 bet even chance. After 15 reds there is more chance of a black coming in the next few spins, I dont care what anyone says about gamblers fallacy, there is a law that you are overlooking, the law of balance which is why you dont see strings of 100 reds for example! You see 10 and then it changes, or you see 15 - 18 as a rare exeption then it changes, or once in history was 25 in Monte Carlo, which is why we have a stop loss!
There is a reason why Im a winner and not a loser.

-Marios

FOR MARIO AND BERETTA.
YOU BOTH TOUCHED THE MOST IMPORTANT SUBJECT IN THE ROULETTE DEBATE..
Technically, the probability is always 50/50, no matter what has happened before. TECHNICALLY. But in REALITY it doesn't happen that way. And I've been trying to come up with an answer for years. I'm not a math genius. So my answer came after hundreds of thousands of spins that I wrote and studied them. You see when you go into a casino with lots of roulettes, you will notice 4-5 BLACK or REDS or odd or even etc. ALL DAY LONG EVERYWHERE ON THE SCORE BOARDS. very EASY TO HAPPEN. No doubt about it. That's how I lost money in my beginner days. Example betting on BLACK and doubling and was faced with 5 REDS in a row. However to see another 5 red after first seeing 5 consecutive reds is very RARE TO HAPPEN. AND IT'S EVEN MORE RARE TO SEE ANOTER 4-5 REDS AFTER SEEING 10 REDS. ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. I can count in my fingers the times I saw this situation after 10 years of writing numbers and looking specifically for that, among other systems. WHAT IS GOING ON?  Y IS THAT? I DON'T CARE WHAT THE MATH AND PROBABILITY EXPERTS SAY, THE FACT IS THAT THIS SITUATION SIMPLY DOES NOT HAPPEN, except in very rare occasions. When you play roulette you take your advice from the facts that you have seen in hundreds of thousands of spins. And if that's what I see, y should I care what the math guys say? (needless to say that what you see in 500,000 spins it's for ever. Roulette numbers don't have expiration date). You are not going to see NEW THINGS in another 500,000 spins. you do it once and you have the FACTS for ever. Everybody must've noticed that once you passed 6 RED or  BLACK or ODD etc. in a row,it's getting VERY HARD FOR THE ROULETTE TO KEEP UP THE SAME SCENARIO. THAT'S THE REAL FACTS
I have other examples of strange things that don't fit the math model. For example 12 numbers can be missing for 40 and 50 consecutive spins VERY EASILY. Then y a dozen or column (12 numbers too) cannot be  missing for 28 consecutive spins and it's EXTREMELY RARE TO REACH THAT FAR. EVEN 20 SPINS FOR A DOZEN TO BE MISSING IT'S VERY VERY HARD. AGAIN Y IS THAT?
The only answer that makes sense to me is what I call VISUAL PROBABILITY. As if the roulette got tired of spinning the same thing and wants to change the tune. I don't know . It's just a thought. I just know THE END RESULTS AND THAT'S ALL I  NEED TO MAKE A SYSTEM. As far as the dozens, I know the answer. 12 numbers (any numbers), can be absent for 40 spins easily. A dozen however it's not just 12 numbers. it's 12 numbers and at the same time VISUALLY are all together in a specific AREA on the betting table. SO THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO 2 PROBABILITIES AT THE SAME TIME. One as 12 numbers and another being VISUALLY in the same location. Like I said many times, seeing a few BMW's going by, it's not as rare as seeing a few BMW's that are also white.
As a final thought, math and probability are important in roulette playing. The question is how you use them? Directly out of the textbook without reference to the facts of what has happened before, or use them after the facts THAT YOU HAVE STUDIED AND OBSERVED THOUSANDS OF TIMES?  I prefer the second choice.
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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2014, 01:04:23 AM »
I will reply in more detail tomorow as Im about to go to sleep now. But Ive worked a 13 hour shift today and come home and made three bets in 2 hours and have hit £2000! People that say past spins dont influence future spins and the wheel has no memory are talking rubbish, the wheel is governed by other laws such as balance, ecart, probability etc. After 15 reds then it is more likley that the next few spins will have a black. This is the only system I have used and I have turned £200 into £2000 in 3 months, and also have £250 profit from a couple of land casino visits, this is too much to just be lucky! Its because waiting for a string of 10 and then betting is giving me a huge advantage! Yes Ive lost 2 or 3 by reaching my 4 stop loss when Ive encounted the exeption, (or fixed matches as I dont trust the casinos especially online), but Ive took 2 steps back and then another 10 forward in terms of my bankroll.

I think the negative people who slam these ideas that talk about the gamblers fallacy are those who dont have either the wallet or the guts to use a martingale and gamble more than they will make! They say it is illogical to bet 160 to make only 5? But tell me another system that can recover all losses? The intelligent thing is WHEN to apply it, (at the right time to attack!), and knowing when to surrender to fight another day!

At the battle of Issos Alexander the Great risked his entire left flank to hit the enemy with his right side with everything he had AT THE RIGHT TIME CERTAIN OF VICTORY! Also he never lost a battle in his whole life and even he had a little luck on his side as well as his genius and bravery! There can be no profit without risk!

-Marios
 
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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2014, 12:11:14 PM »
This is a message for Palestis,,

I played around with the dot system ( I just give it a name) and counted on your sheet around 30 bets before taking action.
Is 30 spins the about number when 3 rows are significant more hit than the rest of the rows?

I think what casino's hate is people having patience overall. You can beat a lot having patience in life in general, cause most people are lived by the circumstances. In that matter everybody understand that casino's manipulate in order you convince you it is time to bet a bit earlier than you meant to do.

Thanks for your answer.

 

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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2014, 03:31:31 PM »

I played around with the dot system ( I just give it a name) and counted on your sheet around 30 bets before taking action.
Is 30 spins the about number when 3 rows are significant more hit than the rest of the rows?

I think what casino's hate is people having patience overall. You can beat a lot having patience in life in general, cause most people are lived by the circumstances. In that matter everybody understand that casino's manipulate in order you convince you it is time to bet a bit earlier than you meant to do.

Thanks for your answer.

FOR BKS11.

YES THAT SOUNDS JUST ABOUT RIGHT.
I TOO, HAVE FOUND THAT 25-30 SPINS ARE REQUIRED ON THE AVERAGE TO SHOW 3 LINES (rows)  GET AHEAD FROM THE OTHERS. IF A ROULETTE IS STATISTICALLY  BALANCED FOR 30 SPINS,  YOU CAN OBSERVE ANOTHER ROULETTE  OR MORE AT THE SAME TIME UNTIL YOU SEE THIS CONDITION IN ONE ROULETTE. IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO RUN INTO THIS CONDITION. And that proves my point that I always try to make. Observing many many numbers spun out of many roulettes, helps you come up with YOUR OWN PROBABILITIES, the ones that are PRACTICAL TO USE, as opposed to applying standard probabilities out of the textbook. In this case the 25-30 spins required to show a preference in 3 rows of numbers.
Yes the casinos hate patience. No wonder they let the ALCOHOL DRINKS, flow freely and push them to the players. Do they give them to us  FOR FREE because they are our friends? LOL.
The question is how to play this system in a way that A PLAYER HAS THE ADVANTAGE. The logic is that a crystal clear TREND (in this case 3 rows), can not suddenly disappear out of the sky, as if someone flipped a switch. It could, but it is much more rare to disappear, than to continue for at least ONE MORE TIME. THAT ONE MORE TIME  is all you need to make the damage. Then to be certain you start the system all over again. And for added security you don't use unlimited progressions, until you hit it. You limit your progressions to maybe up to 7 times, and then abandon it. ( progression in 3 rows bet is not that expensive, as it is with BLACK and RED). You'll catch it in the next cycle.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT A CLEAR TREND DISAPPEARS EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO FOLLOW IT, CYCLE AFTER CYCLE AFTER CYCLE?  It  sounds
IMPOSSIBLE TO ME , and extensive testing has proven to be IMPOSSIBLE. And by limiting your progressions for a FIXED AFFORDABLE numbers of times, avoids a big disaster, when you run into a rare exception. (which by the way sooner or later it will happen  when you play a system all the time). For example by playing BLACK or RED and doubling each time you win $5. (If you play 5, 10, 20 ,40 ,80 progression). So if you win 20 times in a row you make $100 profit. ($5x20). However all it takes 1 TIME to lose 5 progressions and you lose $155 (5+10+20+40+80). Meaning all your winning of 20 times of success plus more. 1 time of failure wipes out more than 20 times of success. That's the idea of PROGRESSION MANAGEMENT.

By the way this SYSTEM of DOTS, can be expanded to a system of CORNER BETS that get ahead form the rest.  But it's very hard to mark corner bets, on a score card. it will get confusing unless you write them on a separate paper.
Or you can test it with DOUBLE STREET BETS (6 NUMBERS), IT SHOULD KICK IN SOONER THAN 30 SPINS. I haven't done it because I like to play few numbers, but the same logic applies.
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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2014, 07:48:38 PM »
Your system is a very old "kamikaze system",but I hope that your luck could continue.
In order to speed up the game,you can bet just  the opposite of last ten decisions.
In fact is exactly what you are doing when you wait for ten Red,Black,...etc in a row and then you place your bets on the other colour
Your probability is the same:basic math!

FOR BERETTA28
http://www.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv&table=T3&date=26.12.2010
This is a site from a casino in Wiesbaden Germany. Where they list the numbers of all roulettes  that spun in the last few years. From the time a roulette opens till the time the roulette closes. (you don't need to know German as anyone with little common sense can figure it out)
I consult it frequently to check systems, because it saves a lot of time compared to waiting all day in a casino to see all the numbers that spun. Though I have done that too and recorded 500,000 live spins over the last 10 years.

HERE IS MY QUESTION

WHY is it that after checking thousands of spins for the whole year in this casino I have never seen 20 blacks or reds or any EC's for the whole year in ALL ROULETTES? (which is the same result I have from my own 500,000 numbers). And y is it that even for 16 RED  is so hard to see maybe for more than 3-5 times for the entire year in all roulettes?
You are going to tell me that it's a very small probability like the textbook says (18/37)^16. Very very small chance indeed. THAT'S FINE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. However I do see 10 reds at least 2 OR MORE TIMES  a day in every roulette. (if you wait long enough). I even see 12 or 13 if you wait even longer. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT EVENTUALLY A PLAYER WILL LOSE IF HE WAITS FOR 10 TO 13 BLACKS AND THEN PLAYS REDS for 3 spins? Here are the results for the whole year in all roulettes and I see that only 3 or 4 times a year the 10 to 12 reds continue to come out as reds for 16 or more spins. In all other cases THEY TURN THE OPPOSITE COLOR. Time after time after time. Every time. Y IS THAT ?
That is my question.
If the probability is always (18/37) no matter how many EC's came out in consecutive spins, then it should not be too hard to see another 4 spins of the same EC number on top of the 12. After all it's only a (18/37)^4  probability which is  not that difficult for a roulette to obey. (Don't you see 4 ec's in a row hundreds of times every day in every roulette? Then why after 10 or 12 EC's in a row it's so hard to see another 4? Where seeing just 4 in a row at any time is happening ALL THE TIME. EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK IN EVERY ROULETTE ON THE SCORE BOARD
And is this REAL LIFE FACT going to change if I start betting the opposite after seeing 10 to 12 in a row? Meaning that each time I bet black after 10 reds it's going to continue spinning out reds just for me to lose more frequently than not? 

If you have a valid  answer for my specific question it would be great. Telling me that I don't know math doesn't cut it. Especially after 8 years of college and an MBA with 3.75 GPA, in a prestigious American University like BU (Boston University).

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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2014, 12:04:44 PM »
I was trying to place a picture here into this message.Where can I find the method?
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2014, 01:47:32 PM »
I was trying to place a picture here into this message.Where can I find the method?

What do you mean by "placing a picture". You have placed pictures before in your messages. Like charts. Is that what you mean or is it something else? I'm not sure what you mean.

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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2014, 08:06:01 PM »
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WHY is it that after checking thousands of spins for the whole year in this casino I have never seen 20 blacks or reds or any EC's for the whole year in ALL ROULETTES? (which is the same result I have from my own 500,000 numbers). And y is it that even for 16 RED  is so hard to see maybe for more than 3-5 times for the entire year in all roulettes?
You are going to tell me that it's a very small probability like the textbook says (18/37)^16. Very very small chance indeed. THAT'S FINE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. However I do see 10 reds at least 2 OR MORE TIMES  a day in every roulette. (if you wait long enough). I even see 12 or 13 if you wait even longer. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT EVENTUALLY A PLAYER WILL LOSE IF HE WAITS FOR 10 TO 13 BLACKS AND THEN PLAYS REDS for 3 spins? Here are the results for the whole year in all roulettes and I see that only 3 or 4 times a year the 10 to 12 reds continue to come out as reds for 16 or more spins. In all other cases THEY TURN THE OPPOSITE COLOR. Time after time after time. Every time. Y IS THAT ?
That is my question.
If the probability is always (18/37) no matter how many EC's came out in consecutive spins, then it should not be too hard to see another 4 spins of the same EC number on top of the 12. After all it's only a (18/37)^4  probability which is  not that difficult for a roulette to obey. (Don't you see 4 ec's in a row hundreds of times every day in every roulette? Then why after 10 or 12 EC's in a row it's so hard to see another 4? Where seeing just 4 in a row at any time is happening ALL THE TIME. EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK IN EVERY ROULETTE ON THE SCORE BOARD
And is this REAL LIFE FACT going to change if I start betting the opposite after seeing 10 to 12 in a row? Meaning that each time I bet black after 10 reds it's going to continue spinning out reds just for me to lose more frequently than not?-Palestis
 

In order to have a good chance of seeing 20 reds in a row, you'll need to watch about 2^20th number of spins.  However, it could happen in the next 20 spins of the wheel.  What you need to consider is how many other possible patterns are there that can hit in place of that one unique pattern.  What should completely blow your mind is the specific pattern that has hit after having observed 500,000 spins.  Before those 500,000 spins took place, that one unique pattern had only a 1 in 2^500,000th chance of hitting (assuming no zero).  Extremely rare patterns hit every day on the roulette wheel. You're probably just not looking for them before the first spin takes place.

The reason that you will see 10 red in a row hit more frequently than 20 in a row, is because you'll only have to watch about 1024 spins before it happens.  You'll likely see either 10 red or black in a row in about 512 spins. 

After those 10 in a row have hit, the probability of seeing another 5 red in a row is just 1 in 32.  However, the odds of seeing a streak of 15 reds in a row prior to the first spin is 1 in 2^15th.

Once the first 10 in a row have hit, the probability of those first ten hitting is already 100%, that's why the probability of seeing another five in a row is the same as though the first ten in a row had never hit in the first place.  This is why waiting around for "rare" events is so foolish.  You can't step outside of probability by simply using your "virtual bets". 

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If you have a valid  answer for my specific question it would be great. Telling me that I don't know math doesn't cut it. Especially after 8 years of college and an MBA with 3.75 GPA, in a prestigious American University like BU (Boston University).-Palestis

Hmm, any chance that you can get your money back?

-Real

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Re: New Systems suggestions
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2014, 10:19:23 AM »
Do you have better qualifications? Are you a more successful roulette player? The limited time we spend at the roulette table when we are fortunate enough to catch a string of ten or more we have more chance of winning by betting! Most of my bets win on the first bet!

-Marios