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00chaser

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The Martingale Scheme Crushed every time
« on: March 25, 2015, 05:24:28 AM »
As before noted, I traveled a lot for work and was able to get to vegas every three weeks for a "surgical strike" on them.  Well, maybe just reconnaissance on them.  One other loan white guy my age had seen me a few times and we asked each other "Do you live here?"  He was from Oregon.  I told him that I chase 00 at shift change times and Yes, it doesn't always "happen" but I do real well.  He started explaining his scheme and i said it was similar to the Martingale scheme - he looks for a history of red on the history board of roughly 16 of the last spins and, when there were more than 3, he would bet 25.00 on black, then 50.00 on black and 2Xprevious until he got a black.  He was there that weekend and I, a table stalker of many hours, saw many history boards with all red for the longest sequences.  The whole weekend was red and I never...saw...him...there...again.  Is the wheel rigged?  You can bet it is. 

   They really watch you there.  In 2010 when my 00 chasing really paid off, I was walking around with a handful of nice winnings and the most down-home looking girl you can imagine stood in front of me and would not move in the crowd.  Not ostentatious good looks; just the kind to really get comfortable with.  Me in my 50s and getting heavier than I should be and being kind of down-home looking myself, she was the perfect match.  The fact that they could roust her out of a staging area (free room for her?) and send a perfect match kind of girl my way is scary.  Jeans and a peach colored sweater, no rickets / skanky weight loss from drug use, no tats, just a pleasantly solid girl next door.  "D - d - do you want a drink."  I asked and we talked.  This gambling thing really helped me out of drinking too much.  I really love it as a hobby.  Also, the cost of 2 (4) drinks at their bar is enough to scare anyone away from drinking.  She suddenly changed personality and really wanted to play blackjack with my chips.  I answered her nay, that I know not much of that game...at least not knowing how to front-run the casino on that game.  She really insisted.  What would have been her personal interest in me losing at blackjack?  She worked for the house....but the way they "read" me and sent a good match for me kind of tells me that this is a world class city of real experts. 

    My friend had the same kind of Martingale experience in Laughlin.  The girl dealer liked him and was eyeing him fixedly and strangely as he kept betting red until the whole 16 position history board was red.  She wouldn't (couldn't) say anything out loud but was sort of beaconing with her eyes that he wasn't going to beat the house this way. 

   Is it the dealer or is it the house that controls the ball?  My theory is that it is an independent security firm that gets permission to monitor (control) the wheel allowing plausible deniability to the casino.  "Our customers experience a jump in revenue when they hire us, the biggest firm in vegas."  they say, and the casinos DO get more from it because the security folks see what is going on, manipulate accordingly, and the secret stays with fewer people. The dealers and casino don't have to know what's going on.  "What about the nevada gaming commission?" the trusting citizen asks, and I offer  "What about the SEC and the Madoff scandal and regulatory institutions approving known toxic bonds?"  With just one major security firm, the secrecy is maintained. 
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Re: The Martingale Scheme Crushed every time
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 11:42:16 AM »
Hi 00chaser,

What a great story!!!
I always value first hand experiences and stories very highly. Some would say they are anecdotal and they are not representative of reality.

You are definitely not alone in doubting the fairness of the game as played either online or in brick and mortar casinos. There are very serious allegations, anecdotal and not, that the casinos are having an unfair advantage.

The argument against these suspicions is often that the casino doesn't need other methods to get your chips, it has the zero(s) already and that is enough. I digress. The zero(s) are not enough for billion dollar greedy companies. Furthermore you can see here that many casinos are actually losing huge amounts of money:
Las Vegas Casinos lost $1.3 billion
London casinos lose money
They definitely are looking into more ways to win your money than just the house edge.

Btw, here is a good article about how the casinos beat you.

 

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Re: The Martingale Scheme Crushed every time
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 02:10:44 PM »
Since several years I am  a member of casinos workers on Linkedinn That is a place to learn the tricks of the casionos all over the worold to make their money
 

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Re: The Martingale Scheme Crushed every time
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2015, 06:48:23 AM »
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13. BETTING SYSTEMS
Casinos love players who think they have a betting system to beat them. In fact, if you are willing to wager a sizeable chunk of cash using a betting system give them a call. They’ll come running to pick you up with a limo, put you up in a first class suite (comped of course), and wine and dine you as long as you play your system in their casino.Are the casino bosses worried that maybe this sucker (oops, I mean player) will break their bank? Hardly. Casinos are built on math not luck, and because they have the math on their side they can’t lose in the long run. Betting systems were invented hundreds of years ago. They didn’t work back then and they don’t work today. But the casinos prefer not to tell the system player this. Now you know why.

I would say a poll of players here that frequent B&M casinos would prove that system players once identified are discouraged?  I mean as much as I would like to believe what this guy is trying to peddle, I get the feeling it simply isn't true?
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Re: The Martingale Scheme Crushed every time
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2015, 06:56:24 AM »
I would say a poll of players here that frequent B&M casinos would prove that system players once identified are discouraged?  I mean as much as I would like to believe what this guy is trying to peddle, I get the feeling it simply isn't true?
You make a good point.
On the other hand if you compare how casinos treat card counters vs roulette system players, you see that they are much more afraid or card counters.
 

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Re: The Martingale Scheme Crushed every time
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2015, 08:07:04 AM »
With the modern shuffle machines cart counters have no advantage.
Years ago a group card couters were banned in the Dutch casinos.

My house casino here in Zandvoort is the most custom friendly casino.
Since all tables are secured with video, there are very less problems. The croupiers make no troubles when you play with cash chips in stead of color ones.
 

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Re: The Martingale Scheme Crushed every time
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2015, 09:27:01 AM »
Cash chips is the only way, for players checking many tables, and attack using triggers. Color chips you can not use on more than one table. In Europé it is very common players use cash chip, in fact you many time need to ask if you want color.