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APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« on: March 02, 2015, 04:25:06 PM »
I've been searching for a way to take advantage of the law of 2/3s and here is what I have come up with.
If in the last 12 numbers there are no repeats, (12 unique numbers), I find it extremely difficult for at least one of them not to repeat in the next 6 spins. Very rarely you get 18 numbers in a row none of which have been repeated. So if you get 12 of them there is a high  likelihood
that at least one of them will repeat in the next 6 spins.  So the trigger is 12 non repeated numbers in a row. Then you play those 12 numbers for  one to  repeat.  Then Stop. It can be played and progressed in a variety of ways. It's a personal choice. With a huge bank roll and low valued chips this system may never fail. (example having $5,000 bankroll and betting with $5 chips). Or you can combine some of these 12 numbers in splits, quads, or streets to have a more economical start. (some of them can be combined in one form or another).
As an additional head start, you can wait for 2 virtual losses and then you only have to deal with 4 bets. You forgo 2 winning  opportunities, and you could save the loss of two dead bets. It all has to do with the size of the bank roll.


 
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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2015, 05:05:00 PM »
Excellent subject.
I also tweeted it and G+ it Btw, everyone is advised to share good posts in Social media like twitter, facebook and G+. This way we get more exposure.

In my opinion your system is very interesting because it relies in the fine line between law of thirds and repeaters. I find repeaters extremely interesting and they certainly are worth much more research.

From tests it has been proven that the first repeat of previous numbers happens more often between the 5th and the 10th spin.
Here are some test results.
Many thousand number series have been tested and here we see how many spin series presented the first repeater in which spin.

SPIN     Nr. of series that had the first repeater in this spin
 2           9799
 3           19199
 4           26712
 5           33099
 6           36817
 7           38117
 8           37424
 9           34613
 10          30241
 11          25616
 12          20579
 13          15855
 14          11481
 15          8103
 16          5429
 17          3428
 18          2057
 19          1187
 20          665
 21          372


I think this is great food for thought and system development.
And here is a related article for those who want to read more about the Law of the thirds.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2015, 05:21:17 PM by kav »
 

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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2015, 06:11:11 PM »
The question is, does this test refer to the last number spun, or any of the previous numbers? If it's any of the previous numbers then we don't know which number it is. And if it involves more than one number how many are there?   We have to specify the exact number /numbers that are expected to have one of them repeated. We can't simply randomly pick a few previous numbers. They have to be picked according to some exact specifications. I simplified it and took the last 12 non repeated numbers. If it turns out that the 5th spin is more likely to produce a repeat, then that's the 17th number. I test till the 18th number. That means I have to play 12 numbers for 6 spins. Then I expect at least one of them to repeat. And that's all I'm looking for. Then start all over again recording 12 non-repeated numbers.
We need more details in the scenario in the post above. I don't understand which previous numbers out of how many are expected to repeat.
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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2015, 06:17:31 PM »
The test is like this:

You bet all previous numbers until one of them repeats.
This means than in the 2nd spin we only bet the previous number.
In the 3rd spin we bet the previous 2 numbers.
In the 4rth spin we bet the previous 3 numbers.
etc.
until one of the previous numbers repeats.
Then we start again with a new series of numbers.
etc.

That is the test that is presented in the table

SPIN     Nr. of series that had the first repeater in this spin
 2           9799
 3           19199
 4           26712
 5           33099
 6           36817
 7           38117
 8           37424
 9           34613
 10          30241
 11          25616
 12          20579
 13          15855
 14          11481
 15          8103
 16          5429
 17          3428
 18          2057
 19          1187
 20          665
 21          372


I believe it is worth much study and thinking this test.
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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2015, 06:39:31 PM »
Again, I hate to be the bad news, but the law of the third is as old as the hills.  Again, there's history on this.

In some ways, the law of third is like the law of 1 in 38 (double zero wheel) and the law of 1 in 37 (single zero wheel).  By the way, neither are really laws. Basic probability describes the chances of the event happening, but unfortunately the house payout comes up short of what basic probability describes as being a fair.

Over the decades the law of the third system has been sold in the back of magazines, and more recently online.  It has been debunked almost as frequently as the Martingale.

I'm sorry if this comes across as being too much to the point, but would your rather have the facts, or keep rediscovering the same system over and over?

-Real
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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2015, 06:50:31 PM »
Real,

Your opinion that all systems fail is not especially tailored to the law of the thirds or any specific approach. It is a broad blanket statement that applies to all "mathematical systems", bet selections and money management plans.

Therefore I find it monotonous, to read it all over again in any new topic about roulette systems. Sorry to bother you with our stubbornness and naivety to try to explore the world of roulette systems, but this is a roulette board and one of the points of the board is to discuss roulette systems.  We enjoy doing so.

In order to make your message clear and prominent I'm willing to make a sticky post where you can explain in length why every strategy fails. I will do this if you ask me. However please stop distracting every roulette system discussion with your "doesn't work" posts. Thank you.
 

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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2015, 07:36:34 PM »
Sorry to distract the board with logic, common sense, and the facts.

 

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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2015, 07:37:43 PM »
The test is like this:

You bet all previous numbers until one of them repeats.
This means than in the 2nd spin we only bet the previous number.
In the 3rd spin we bet the previous 2 numbers.
In the 4rth spin we bet the previous 3 numbers.
etc.
until one of the previous numbers repeats.
Then we start again with a new series of numbers.
etc.

That is the test that is presented in the table

SPIN     Nr. of series that had the first repeater in this spin
 2           9799
 3           19199
 4           26712
 5           33099
 6           36817
 7           38117
 8           37424
 9           34613
 10          30241
 11          25616
 12          20579
 13          15855
 14          11481
 15          8103
 16          5429
 17          3428
 18          2057
 19          1187
 20          665
 21          372


I believe it is worth much study and thinking this test.
Oh ok. Now I get it.
So, to reach up to the 10th spin, you have to spend 9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 =45 units. Since we can't always expect a hit in the very first few spins is there a progression involved? Or just flat bets will do fine? And is there a limit on the number of spins to be played or do we keep going until  there is a win? This is another way of taking advantage the law of 2/3s, by counting on a repeat early. The earlier the more profitable.
In that table if we add up all the series to get the TOTAL and then divide each individual series into the TOTAL we will come up with a probability of a hit for every spin. That would be a more useful figure to work with. The total series is about 356,000 on total .
So the probability in the 2nd spin is about 9.8/356=2.7%. The 5th spin 33.1/356=9.29% and the 10th spin 30.2/356=8.48%.
At what point can we conclude that it will make a profit if played that way? It looks like it's a long term system, because if you keep on hitting in late spins you obviously are at a loss. That can be countered by a streak of early wins. I think the only way to test it,  is to actually play it for as long as it takes to show some consistency in results. Not in real roulettes. It can be tested with a collection of numbers.
But it will take a lot of work.
The other way I have tested is to take 12 unique numbers, and play them for 6 spins. As I very very rarely see 18 unique numbers in a row, then out of those 12 at least one must repeat. You just need a strong enough bank roll, to endure the black swan if she decided to bite within the very first try. Or in the first 2  tries in a row. I estimate about 95%+ to have a hit in 6 spins and it could very well be in the first 2-3 spins, as I see it very often. So you may rarely have to go thru all 6 betting spins.
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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2015, 07:08:29 AM »
I prepare a detailed explanation of this system, which will be posted soon.
 

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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2016, 10:59:17 AM »
Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.
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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2016, 01:11:08 AM »
A very good idea palestis. I also been thinking of taking advantage on law of 2/3 but from what i observed in live roulette, the 12 numbers often repeat after 8 to 10 spins. The progession will be quite high until that. What i am using is 2 ds, pick the most numbers come for example number 1,3,4,6 and 13,15,18,14 has come, i bet on those 2ds until it comes again. That is my trigger.  The chips needed is reduced. It works well enough for me. I've been testing quite some times. Thanks palestis for the information. Great post.
 

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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2016, 01:23:32 AM »
I forget to add that i only play it 6 times, if there is no hit, i observed another 12 numbers from the last 6 spuns numbers played and 6 numbers before it. I use martingale for dozen progression 1,2,4,5,7,10,15,23 and so on... If there is an early hit, keep betting the same ds until 6 times is reached cos sometimes you will get a hit from another repeaters after 2 or 3 spins.
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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2016, 01:34:54 AM »
I've played a few sessions as follows:

1) Spin until there are 4 uniques.
2) Bet those last 4 numbers & start over if hit.
3) Add the last spun number & quit on a hit or after the 10th loss.
4) Double your stake and start over with 4 new last spun uniques.

It seems to function as a pretty powerful number prediction system.  I simply followed Kav's stics betting from 5th to 10th bet.
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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2016, 02:53:02 AM »
Reyth can you describe more considered unique numbers.. Thanks reyth.. And after betting 4 uniques and add another last spun number, meaning you are betting 5 numbers or what..? Sorry if i dont understand it..
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Re: APPLYING THE LAW OF 2/3s
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2016, 04:12:31 AM »
8   11   16   5

The following 4 numbers spun which are all uniques.  Therefore we bet those 4 numbers.

The following resuts:

34 add it,   26 add it,  36 add it,   15 add it,  24 add it,   0 add it

And so we have whiffed. 

We double our unit size and bet the following numbers:

36   15  24   0

and receive the following:

25 add it   34 add it   16 add it   35 add it  33 add it, 2 add it

and whiffed again and so we double our unit size and bet the following 4 numbers:

2 33 35 16

11 add it   11

for a profit.  Now we have only 3 uniques so we need to spin until we have 4 last spun uniques...

Simply doubling your unit size is very lazy.  Someone needs to get in there and work out a proper progression method.
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