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##### lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« on: March 04, 2018, 07:36:25 PM »
what is the maximum number of times a number will not repeat within that period of spins

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2018, 07:42:21 PM »
It's hard to say.

For example the probability for a number to sleep 300 spins is 0,027%

`1-number betSpins      Probability % to...      ...hit at least once   ...hit exactly once   ...hit more than once   ...sleep all spins1      2.7027027027026946   2.7027027027026946   0   97.29729729729732      5.3323593864134295   5.259313367421476   0.07304601899195351   94.667640613586573      7.8909442678617125   7.675754644344857   0.21518962351685555   92.109055732138294      10.380378206568153   9.95773575482576   0.42264245174239257   89.619621793431855      12.802530146931161   12.110759701815114   0.6917704451160471   87.197469853068846      15.159218521338431   14.140130246443597   1.019088274894834   84.840781478661577      17.452212615356316   16.05095865812516   1.4012539572311553   82.547787384643688      19.683233896022358   17.848170245328365   1.8350636506939928   80.316766103977649      21.85395730423795   19.53651067394051   2.317446630297443   78.1460426957620510      23.96601251223153   21.12055207993569   2.845460432295841   76.0339874877684711      26.020985147036086   22.604698982850085   3.416286164186001   73.9790148529639112      28.020417980899964   23.993194006366675   4.027223974533289   71.9795820191000413      29.96581208952429   25.29012341211623   4.675688677408061   70.0341879104757114      31.858627978996594   26.499422452612432   5.359205526384162   68.141372021003415      33.70028668226696   27.624880549055437   6.075406133211526   66.2997133177330416      35.492170825989476   28.670146299560233   6.822024526429242   64.5078291740105217      37.235625668530304   29.638732323194027   7.596893345336277   62.76437433146969618      38.93196010992137   30.534019945039315   8.397940164882055   61.0680398900786319      40.582447674518086   31.359263727337677   9.22318394718041   59.41755232548191420      42.188327467098674   32.117595851611846   10.070731615486828   57.81167253290132621      43.750805103123035   32.81203035651156   10.938774746611472   56.24919489687696522      45.271053613849446   33.4454672359809   11.825586377868547   54.72894638615055423      46.75021432698864   34.02069640220169   12.729517924786947   53.2497856730113624      48.18939772355652   34.54040151762899   13.648996205927524   51.8106022764434825      49.58968427156849   35.00716370029966   14.58252057126883   50.4103157284315126      50.95212523720178   35.42346510646539   15.528660130736384   49.0478747627982227      52.27774347403416   35.79169239447438   16.48605107955978   47.7222565259658428      53.56753419095216   36.11414007370388   17.45339411724828   46.4324658090478429      54.8224656993048   36.393013742226685   18.429451957078115   45.177534300695230      56.04348013986413   36.63043321677989   19.413046923084238   43.9565198601358731      57.23149419013807   36.82843555849222   20.403058631645855   42.7685058098619332      58.38739975256677   36.98897799771843   21.398421754848343   41.6126002474332333      59.51206462411901   37.11394076122423   22.398123862894785   40.4879353758809934      60.606333147791474   37.20512980486361   23.401203342927865   39.39366685220852635      61.671026846499814   37.264279454791854   24.40674739170796   38.32897315350018636      62.706945039837656   37.293054960162344   25.413890079675312   37.29305496016234437      63.714865444166364   37.293054960162344   26.42181048400402   36.28513455583363638      64.69554475648619   37.265813868153465   27.42973088833272   35.3044552435138139      65.6497192225271   37.212804175595636   28.43691504693146   34.35028077747289640      66.57810518948583   37.13543867834908   29.442666511136743   33.4218948105141741      67.48139964382405   37.03507262786705   30.446327015956996   32.5186003561759542      68.3602807345315   36.91300580971325   31.447274924818252   31.63971926546849643      69.21540828224687   36.77048455176069   32.44492373048618   30.7845917177531344      70.04742427461858   36.608703664355076   33.4387206102635   29.95257572538142645      70.85695334827753   36.42880831465309   34.42814503362444   29.14304665172246446      71.64460325778354   36.231895837276575   35.41270742050697   28.3553967422164647      72.4109653318975   36.019017483356045   36.391947848541456   27.58903466810249648      73.15661491752189   35.79118010997081   37.36543480755108   26.84338508247810449      73.88211181164293   35.54934781193047   38.33276399971246   26.11788818835707550      74.58800068159852   35.29444349777983   39.293557183818685   25.41199931840148551      75.27481147398774   35.0273504118507   40.24746106213704   24.72518852601225752      75.94305981252862   34.748913604125335   41.19414620840328   24.05694018747138353      76.59324738516298   34.459941349621175   42.13330603554181   23.40675261483702554      77.22586232069912   34.16120651895133   43.06465580174779   22.77413767930088555      77.84137955527481   33.85344790166348   43.987931653611334   22.1586204447251956      78.44026118891603   33.537371483908395   44.90288970500763   21.55973881108396757      79.02295683245885   33.21365168194017   45.809305150518675   20.9770431675411658      79.58990394509509   32.882932532902366   46.70697141219272   20.41009605490491259      80.14152816279523   32.545828844307835   47.59569931848739   19.8584718372047860      80.6782436178548   32.20292730357532   48.47531631427948   19.32175638214519361      81.20045324980468   31.854787548942078   49.345665700862604   18.79954675019532262      81.70854910791806   31.50194320303   50.206605904888065   18.29145089208193763      82.2029126455419   31.144902870301678   51.05800977524022   17.797087354458164      82.6839150064732   30.7841510996032   51.89976390687   17.316084993526865      83.15191730359554   30.42014931295249   52.73176799064305   16.84808269640445766      83.60727088998485   30.053336701694437   53.55393418829041   16.39272911001514667      84.05031762268797   29.684131091108508   54.36618653157946   15.94968237731203568      84.48139011937208   29.312929774519418   55.16846034485266   15.51860988062792669      84.90081200803769   28.940110317927754   55.960701690109936   15.09918799196230770      85.30889816998263   28.566031336144906   56.742866833837724   14.6911018300173871      85.70595497619931   28.191033241384705   57.51492173481461   14.29404502380069572      86.0922805173831   27.815438965233785   58.27684155214932   13.90771948261689273      86.46816482772411   27.439554654892788   59.02861017283132   13.53183517227589874      86.83389010265049   27.063670344551795   59.77021975809869   13.16610989734952175      87.18973091068695   26.688060602735515   60.50167030795143   12.81026908931304876      87.5359543995873   26.3129851564268   61.22296924316049   12.46404560041269677      87.87282049689576   25.938689492750747   61.93413100414501   12.12717950310424478      88.20058210508776   25.565405438976516   62.63517666611125   11.7994178949122479      88.51948529143674   25.19335172156938   63.32613356986736   11.48051470856325980      88.82976947274926   24.822734505001645   64.00703496774761   11.1702305272507481      89.13166759510739   24.453747911008378   64.67791968409901   10.8683324048926182      89.42540630875314   24.086574518951196   65.33883178980194   10.57459369124686683      89.7112061382463   23.72138584793216   65.98982029031413   10.28879386175370884      89.98928164802342   23.35834282127869   66.63093882674474   10.01071835197658285      90.25984160348224   22.997596214000257   67.26224538948199   9.74015839651775586      90.52308912771245   22.639287083798024   67.88380204391443   9.47691087228754487      90.77922185399049   22.28354718618963   68.49567466780087   9.22077814600950488      91.02843207415292   21.930499374292875   69.09793269986004   8.97156792584708589      91.2709068829596   21.58025798379434   69.69064889916525   8.7290931170404190      91.50682831855528   21.232929203611807   70.27389911494348   8.49317168144472191      91.73637349913487   20.888611432742426   70.84776206639245   8.26362650086513592      91.959714755915   20.54739562377277   71.41231913214223   8.04028524408499593      92.17701976251189   20.209365613510933   71.96765414900096   7.82298023748810494      92.38845166082238   19.874598441185995   72.51385321963639   7.61154833917761795      92.59416918350286   19.54316465464523   73.05100452885762   7.40583081649713896      92.79432677313793   19.21512860496555   73.57919816817238   7.20567322686208297      92.98907469818825   18.890548729881676   74.09852596830657   7.01092530181175698      93.17855916580478   18.56947782642033   74.60908133938446   6.82144083419522299      93.36292243159384   18.251963313116946   75.1109591184769   6.637077568406162100      93.54230290641563   17.938047482178817   75.60425542423681   6.4576970935843745101      93.71683526029628   17.627767741946535   76.08906751834974   6.283164739703715102      93.88665052353151   17.321156849994026   76.56549367353749   6.11334947646848103      94.0518761850577   17.01824313719604   77.03363304786166   5.9481238149423055104      94.21263628816425   16.719050723081075   77.49358556508318   5.787363711835757105      94.36905152361926   16.423599722777148   77.94545180084211   5.630948476380738106      94.5212393202782   16.13190644584752   78.38933287443068   5.478760679721798107      94.66931393324366   15.84398358730358   78.82533034594007   5.330686066756344108      94.81338652964247   15.559840411072573   79.2535461185699   5.186613470357524109      94.95356527208457   15.27948292618838   79.6740823458962   5.046434727915428110      95.08995539986607   15.002914055964787   80.08704134390129   4.910044600133932111      95.22265930797779   14.730133800401795   80.492525507576   4.777340692022203112      95.3517766239784   14.46113939206721   80.89063723191119   4.648223376021603113      95.47740428278979   14.195925445687598   81.2814788371022   4.522595717210208114      95.59963659947115   13.934484101674695   81.66515249779646   4.400363400528852115      95.71856534002598   13.676805163805893   82.04176017622008   4.2814346599740185116      95.83427979029555   13.422876231269896   82.41140355902566   4.165720209704451117      95.94686682299026   13.172682825281642   82.77418399770862   4.053133177009736118      96.05641096290945   12.926208510463482   83.13020245244597   3.943589037090553119      96.16299445039837   12.68343501118313   83.47955943921524   3.8370055496016207120      96.26669730309031   12.444342323032284   83.82235498005802   3.7333026969096843121      96.36759737597977   12.208908819623563   84.15868855635621   3.632402624020234122      96.4657704198722   11.977111354877529   84.48865906499466   3.5342295801277954123      96.56129013825404   11.748925360965375   84.81236477728866   3.438709861745963124      96.65422824262555   11.524324942067551   85.129903300558   3.3457717573744503125      96.74465450633838   11.303282964102873   85.4413715422355   3.2553454936616273126      96.83263681697788   11.085771140577434   85.74686567640045   3.1673631830221245127      96.91824122732983   10.871760114697562   86.04648111263226   3.0817587726701747128      97.00153200496956   10.66121953788601   86.34031246708355   2.9984679950304405129      97.08257168051092   10.454118144835862   86.62845353567506   2.917428319489077130      97.16142109455117   10.250423825231893   86.91099726931928   2.838578905448832131      97.23813944334708   10.050103692264784   87.1880357510823   2.761860556652918132      97.31278432325662   9.85312414805906   87.45966017519757   2.6872156767433797133      97.38541177397941   9.659450946131608   87.7259608278478   2.6145882260205857134      97.45607632062863   9.469049250993473   87.98702706963515   2.543923679371381135      97.52483101466568   9.281883695003689   88.242947319662   2.4751689853343164136      97.59172747372877   9.09791843258019   88.49380904114858   2.408272526271227137      97.65681592038476   8.917117191869139   88.73969872851562   2.343184079615248138      97.72014521983381   8.739443323970386   88.98070189586342   2.2798547801661875139      97.78176291659506   8.564859849813516   89.21690306678154   2.218237083404939140      97.8417152702006   8.393329504775446   89.44838576542514   2.1582847297994141      97.90004728992491   8.224814781127444   89.67523250879746   2.099952710075092142      97.95680276857559   8.0592779683963   89.89752480017928   2.043197231424414143      98.01202431537084   7.896681191721385   90.11534312364945   1.9879756846291599144      98.06575338792838   7.736986448286461   90.32876693964192   1.9342466120716149145      98.11803032338977   7.580155641902275   90.5378746814875   1.8819696766102199146      98.16889436870358   7.4261506158133   90.74274375289028   1.8311056312964302147      98.21838371008997   7.274933183799331   90.94345052629063   1.7816162899100405148      98.26653550170914   7.126465159640163   91.14007034206898   1.73346449829085149      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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2018, 09:26:08 PM »
Kav is it possible for a number to sleep 300 times then without hit within that 10000 spins is what you are saying?

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 09:42:34 PM »
The numbers I posted are the probabilities that a number sleeps or hits etc. You can get valuable info there.
All I'm saying is that a number not hitting for 300 spins has probability 0,027%

Maybe I misunderstood your question. Repeat can have different meanings. It can mean the number "hitting again" or "hitting again immediately after he has hit". In fact the latter is the correct definition of a repeater.

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2018, 10:48:07 PM »
If I am not wrong,  I read somewhere it's 600+ spins.

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2018, 04:42:19 AM »
@kav yes that answers my question but now i have another... for you and @cht... are those stats based on a single zero wheel?.... and @cht do you know if the information you have heard is from an american wheel or double zero wheel? and does anyone else see what im getting at?

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2018, 05:05:34 AM »
It's hard to say.

For example the probability for a number to sleep 300 spins is 0,027%

LOL you got me.  You put a percent sign.  I am showing the probability to be .9997641 or 0.0002359 give or take a bit for variance but with that percent sign it adds 2 more zeros, right?

10000 spins is kind of a small sample.  There is still room for quite a bit of variance before things start to level out according to what could be expected, so there is still alot of room for stranger quirks and such.

Just my opinion from seeing worst sequences remain hidden until over 1M spins.
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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2018, 05:09:39 AM »
My question was to get a possible maximum limit so to say and also ask that what if you were the most unlucky person in the world and you happened to be the catch the 2%. You kept betting on one number 300 or 600 times?

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2018, 08:57:27 AM »
Numbers are not reliable source of information.  Need to collect few more data points into spin. Direction, for example, ball type, dealer, rotor speeds, atm.pressure.
With these data points you can choose target wisely, so no need to wait hundreds of spins for your numbers to hit.

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2018, 09:18:24 AM »
atm pressure? LOL

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2018, 10:25:45 AM »
Reyth,
Yes, our numbers are close.

heatmap,
My numbers are for single-zero roulette

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 03:19:55 PM »
ATM  pressure  -atm (atmospheric pressure )  LOL
This discussion gives me food for thought on Dobbelsteen's Marty.
If his ten bets lose what  is he likely to have won prior to that happening ?

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 05:48:45 PM »
what is the maximum number of times a number will not repeat within that period of spins

I have millions of live spins and simulators.  There is no max.  The longer you play, the larger the max will be.

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 06:53:42 PM »
These who say " lol" to atm.pressure affect on game conditions are not players. Gamblers, may be and ignorant definitely.  I say IGNORANT. It's correct term to describe someone who not know and do not wanna know, right?

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##### Re: lets say i just got 10000 spins in some way
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2018, 07:32:27 PM »
Ignorance can also be when a person believes something that is not rationally feasible.
How much change in atmospheric pressure is required to affect the spin and bounce of the ball. Do the air conditioners going on and off affect the ball? Maybe a crowded table of players breathing hot air over the table may influence the ball. Alcohol on the breath may cause the ball to become sticky and slow. Maybe smoking also has an impact on the ball.
As I said... mumbo jumbo everywhere.