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Dane

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"The psychic professional roulette player"
« on: November 17, 2014, 08:43:28 AM »
In your section with Casino stories and gamblers I have read the anecdote from psican.org.
I donĀ“t know if the dealer - subcounsciously or not - is able  to write a signature (so to speak). When we were children, many of us developed an ability to throw a hula hoop ring at someone  exactly without hitting - and make it return to our hands. I am still able to do so after decades.

The "psychic" anecdote suggests that after a series of three within some wheel sector the dealer wants to end the series  by trying to hit a pocket outside this sector. This wish might no be as evident as we might think. In Europe the dealer wants to receive tips from happy winners -  and if many players are betting for the series to be prolongued, then.... And how experienced is the dealer?

If the anecdote were true, someone might analyze spins from for example Spielbank Wiesbaden to confirm it.



 

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Re: "The psychic professional roulette player"
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2014, 09:48:17 AM »
Hi Dane,

I know players who play consistently the dealer's signature and claim that they win (not necessarily being psi).
On the other side there are experts who claim it is so rare due to many factors involved (ball speed, rotor speed, dividers etc.), that it is impractical.

Certainly an issue worth exploring more. And yes you are right, we can study spins from casinos to identify it, though there may only be a minority of dealers that have dealer's signature.
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Re: "The psychic professional roulette player"
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2014, 11:44:44 AM »
In my early days of playing roulette, I have examened samples of more than 1M spins of the Wiesbadener Spielbank. The results are predictable.It is very easy to figure out the HE for  the ECs and Dozens. It is not surprise the results are about 2.7%. The difference between for example between the ECs are often  more than 100.
A very big number of difference croupiers has created a 1M sample. It is impossible to find a signature of a croupier.
I agree wheel watching and looking for a bias is waisted time.
 

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Re: "The psychic professional roulette player"
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2014, 03:45:49 PM »
In my early days of playing roulette, I have examened samples of more than 1M spins of the Wiesbadener Spielbank. The results are predictable.It is very easy to figure out the HE for  the ECs and Dozens. It is not surprise the results are about 2.7%. The difference between for example between the ECs are often  more than 100.
A very big number of difference croupiers has created a 1M sample. It is impossible to find a signature of a croupier.
I agree wheel watching and looking for a bias is waisted time.

When I examine Spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen, I use pen and paper. Rather old fashioned, I know. For me it would be a terrible waste of time
to examine more than 1M spins.
You write that "The difference between for example the ECs are often more than 100".
In our heads we might be perfectly balanced. But when it comes to probabilities, the perfect balance sometimes seem to be as deceiving as the socalled signature. Time is most important:
                                                              If the difference is 100 right after   500 spins: 20%.
                                                              If the difference is 100 right after 1000 spins: 10%
 

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Re: "The psychic professional roulette player"
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2014, 10:59:37 PM »
The largeness of the diference depends on the largeness of the sample. For a sample of 50 spins this is seldom larger than 12 units. The 100 difference is for samples of 1 M.

For example, suppose the result of a 1M sample is 27000 zeros, 486600 Red and 486400 Black. the difference is 200 spins. The ratio R/B is 1.000.

Suppose you play consistent 1unit on Red. The payout is 2x486600=973200. Your loss is 26800 units. This is 26800x100/1000000 =2.68%.

In this example I denayed the En Prison rule!
 

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Re: "The psychic professional roulette player"
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2014, 07:48:23 AM »
It is fine that you denayed the En Prison rule in your example. Not all players have access to this rule.
With a large sample - many spins and much time - the balance measured i % - must increase.
Unfortunately the player seem to be unable to profit from this academic "balance". The actual difference between Red and Black  has grown with time. And we may not see one million spins tonight! What happens in the short run is more important in practice. For example in a sample of 50 spins that you mention.
 

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Re: "The psychic professional roulette player"
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2014, 11:06:30 AM »
This is the reason  I research small (nano) sequences. The long run (macro) theory is useles for the roulette player. See my explanation in other threads.