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Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?

Yes, and there is no necessary limit to this ability.
Yes, but only in the short term.  In the long term, all players must lose to the HE.
No, players may receive positive variance but they are constantly losing because of the HE.

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Reyth

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Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« on: March 18, 2017, 08:42:10 PM »
Can gamblers learn skills that will help them remain profitable, even in the long term?

* instincts/intuition
* habits
* awareness
* techniques/methods
* statistical knowledge
* discipline
* bankroll/money management
* psychological balance

When a poor gambler (relatively speaking and myself included) loses a sequence of spins, can a superior gambler (potentially all of us) play those same sequence of spins and win because of their superior skill?

What are some of these abilities and techniques?

Let's share and explore! :D



I will start it off.

Surfing/Scrapping

This is the gambler's ability to deal with debt in relation to the flow of random sequences.  I believe all successful gamblers are experts in these techniques, simply because without them, a roulette gambler will consistently lose his entire bankroll; in the full random environment of roulette, if we don't thrive, we don't survive.

It not only involves specific techniques/methods and psychological balance but it also involves perspective where even large amounts of debt are properly weighed, taking into account multiple future sessions.

Psychological Balance

It is said that while playing chess, the analytical & creative poles of the brain are working simultaneously.  I have discovered that in order for this process to properly manifest itself, I must have "an open mind" that is free from emotional interference but not emotional influence!  This is where gambling stress attempts to interfere in the process!

So its a real skill to be psychologically balanced as a gambler!
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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcome?
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 08:49:24 PM »
I think so. I think, more so when you consider momentum vs. a slow table. That is why I like any rapid game, 50 to 60 spins an hour.
What are your thoughts?
 
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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2017, 09:01:48 PM »
( Can human interaction affect outcomes )

I think this line of thought is a form of psychological warfare and we should not indulge in it but consider only the problem of how to win.   IMO of course !
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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2017, 10:48:53 PM »
I think the speed of play can definitely relate to psychological balance and utilizing the surfing/scrapping skillset. 

At the same time though, human beings adapt to their environment and so among professional gamblers, the speed of the wheel really doesn't matter; the professional gambler remains focused, aware and in the flow.
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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 03:06:02 AM »


  good subject Reyth

few years back i read a article made by a scientific website'

it read' is losing streaks and winning streaks a real scientific outcome or just a myth gamblers think.

to be brief the answer was; YES THEY DO EXIST AND THIS IS WHY;

losses in a gambler will definitely affect his DECISIONS making process. as the fact that they will affect the gambler's abilities to make good choices. that is a result that scientist have tested and came up with actual data from experimenting the brain being affected by losses.

same goes with winning;  it magnet itself into better decisions at first for a pro-gambler.
the law of attraction has some scientific value.

they did make experiments with sport gambling, horse race,ect...
makes a lot of sens to me. when you lose and dont take it well, your decisions will be worst, you will take gambles you would of never done if you would of won.
all of us have been there. witnessing the "supernatural loss of never ending phenomenon", unreal.
it creates a "swith" to your decision process. the next day you go' who was that guy???"
lol,
great topic. the game is 80% mental if not more.
 
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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2017, 03:39:41 AM »
Wow so its like variance is more in our head than it is on the felt!
 

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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 09:36:26 AM »
Even if I didn't know how, I'd say yes it can.
You see quantum physics has proved that by just observing a natural phenomenon you affect its outcome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)
 

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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 10:37:47 AM »
Not wishing to be pedantic, but the question doesn't really make sense unless you're the dealer. We as players don't interact with the game in any way, we're just passive observers. If the question was "Can human decisions affect our expected return", then of course the answer is yes.

@ Kav, observation by itself doesn't change the outcomes (according to the Wiki article), although measurement can, and quantum effects only apply at the microscopic level, not to "large" objects like roulette wheels. Even things like lazers don't affect the outcome, as the courts decided when they let the Ritz team winners keep their winnings.
 
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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2017, 08:54:40 PM »
By "roulette outcomes" I mean our winning or losing. 

I think that laser point is quite amazing! :D
 

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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 10:15:40 PM »
. Even things like lazers don't affect the outcome, as the courts decided when they let the Ritz team winners keep their winnings.
Did you have assess to actual papers from that court ? Somehow l do not belive that anyone will let player play if he point any lazers to the wheel.
   As far as l know that team use no device. Their edge was around 10 %... very smal advantage l would say.
 
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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2017, 07:31:32 AM »
Did you have assess to actual papers from that court ?

Just going by the news report. But if they did use a laser, the judgement was that using it wasn't "interfering" with casino equipment.

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Their edge was around 10 %

Really? Did you have access to actual papers from that court?  ;)
Or perhaps you were in the team?  :D
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Re: Can Human Interaction Positively Affect Roulette Outcomes?
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2017, 08:00:25 AM »
My friend spoke with one of them. My information is indirect also.
   It's just a set up for a team... 3 people could do following:
  2 players- predict
  1player- bet placement.
There is a strong vb tradition in croacia.  It's called " beograd vb". For what l read in forums , it's almost same as l do....
   Actual percentage came from report of Barnet. He was invited expert to " backtrack" they play from video.
 
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