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Jesper

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Triangular progression
« on: February 26, 2017, 03:49:35 PM »

Some progressions escalating fast, and at the end gain a low win.

We win most EC-bets in the beginning so why not have a more rapid progress the few first steps, and if we get a losing streak, try to keep the bets down until it change.

I have used a short Martingale, which I changed to Oscars Grind if not win in 4 spins.

Today I was playing around with a progression using Triangular numbers.

Triangular number series start with 1 dot. and next is three dots, as the top of the triangle has one, and the base two.

Next step is six and so on.

1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55 ....

We find the next using the formula
n(n+ 1)/2.

So the 11th is  11(11+ 1)/2 =66.

If used as negative progression, we go one step until a win. The win will not make up as a Martingale, so we step back one step if we are not on plus.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2017, 04:56:57 PM by Jesper »


 
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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2017, 04:42:29 PM »
I lost you.

11(11-1)=11x10-110  110/2 =55 not 66
 
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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2017, 04:55:58 PM »
I lost you.

11(11-1)=11x10-110  110/2 =55 not 66

       11 + 1  = 12      11 * 12 = 132      132/2 = 66

I do not know why my + becomes a minus

Also check the triangular 36       36 + 1 = 37   36 * 37 /2 = 666.
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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2017, 02:06:46 AM »

Some progressions escalating fast, and at the end gain a low win.

We win most EC-bets in the beginning so why not have a more rapid progress the few first steps, and if we get a losing streak, try to keep the bets down until it change.

I have used a short Martingale, which I changed to Oscars Grind if not win in 4 spins.

Today I was playing around with a progression using Triangular numbers.

Triangular number series start with 1 dot. and next is three dots, as the top of the triangle has one, and the base two.

Next step is six and so on.

1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55 ....

Progression alone is not the answer to winning. Especially long ones.
When you test a system to find its average  win rate, you will inadvertently come up with
accurate information about the "range" of bets within which most of the hits occur. That range gets wider and wider the lesser numbers you play.
If you test a system long enough this information will become very clear and very accurate.
A player needs to determine the shortest possible range within which most of the wins happen.
If for example after testing the win rates of a system involving EC's, you find that most of the hits happen in the first 4 bets or bet #2 to bet #5, y in the world would someone want to bet beyond that?
It is a fact that extending the progression ends up winning frequently enough,  but it is also the  trap that lures players to the point of no return. With the usual catastrophic results.
All it takes, a one time long failed progression to destroy a B/R plus winnings that a player worked so hard and for so long to build up. Then we blame the progression for that failure.
If most of the wins occur within a specific range, then all you have to do is bet only the spins within that range. If it fails there will be another opportunity.
It's far more frequent to lose an entire progression played in one shot, than breaking up the progression in shorter ranges under a new trigger each time.
In that case  the  progression can be adjusted for each new trigger for shorter steps,  rather than for each step within the same trigger.
There is a lot of things that can turn wrong with one specific trigger, but it's rarer for every new trigger to keep turning  into a nightmare and  in a consecutive fashion. (even with shorter progression steps).
 
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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2017, 04:11:53 AM »
There is a lot of things that can turn wrong with one specific trigger, but it's rarer for every new trigger to keep turning  into a nightmare and  in a consecutive fashion. (even with shorter progression steps).

Very interesting.  Adjusting the Betting Range downward but adding additional Betting Levels. 

Like, if you had a Betting Range of 3 steps on 3 Betting Levels (a 3x3 matrix), you could change it to 2 bets on 4 Betting Levels (2x4 matrix) or 2 bets on 5 Betting Levels (2x5 matrix); in that case you would be betting 1 less time or 1 more time.

Then of course we can create matrices that are uneven like:

1 2
3 4 5
6 7
8 9

So that now we are betting the same number of bets but one additional Level.  I think there is alot of research that can be done with this and I haven't even added the 3rd dimension of the Trigger Range.

Kind of like this post here:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=530.msg13291#msg13291

I think I might be "a little" over-enthusiastic there but its the concept of flexibility and choices on so many levels that are present for us, that is so interesting to me.
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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2017, 04:18:37 AM »
Palestis!  Recycling elementa!!   This progression can e used at any length, and it turns towards flat bet if it is long. I never or seldom use "triggers", but anyone can.   It is true  we win most EC bet after a  few spins, and this progression use just that.   
 
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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2017, 05:16:11 AM »
Palestis!  Recycling elementa!!   

LOL

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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2017, 11:56:21 AM »
I am aware every play can fail. This is now over 10000 spins and 6000+  in winning.   I have done it on zero-wheel and very low stakes.
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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2017, 12:20:45 PM »
Want it all for a 36 step progression?

1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55,66,78,91,105,120,136,153,171,190,
210,231,253,276,300,325,351,378,
406,435,465,496,528,561,595,630,666.

Or stop at 1,3,6.  The first is more fun and not very risky.

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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2017, 12:54:20 PM »
We will not bust until  reaching this!
 
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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2017, 10:04:58 AM »
There is an other way to find the triangular progression, we count the spins.

First spin is 1 chip  = 1
Second is  add the spin number 1+ 2 =3
Third is add the spin number    3+ 3 = 6
4th is add the spin number   6+ 4 = 10

and so on.
 
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Re: Triangular progression
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2017, 12:58:05 PM »
If we sink deep in a progression, it is NOT sure we are using the wrong method or progression, as the result is from our losing streaks  if we lose  many spins we are up in any negative progression.

What is deep is up to the player. It is not possible to avoid a very bad run. We can break, but it is not allways the best, we will also never know how bad it could go.

This 169 spins had three times 13 and more losses in a row, and not much recover in between.

Went to the 27th step at most.
and about 2200 units behind.

It was possible to recover.

The play had before a good plus, so I could stop with 2200 behind and total be plus. It will anyhow hardly help, as bad runs will come in the future as well.

I used cent table, which makes it possible to be a few 1000 back.

I use to not "chip up" if it runs well, it takes the resistance from the bankroll.
 
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