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#### Jesper

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##### How to use the martingale?
« on: February 17, 2017, 01:04:24 PM »
Martingale is the oldest and most reinvented way of trying beat the game.  There is the up on lose and up on win. Both are not easy to work with. It is a slow win and a big loss, or small loss and big win, In both cases it is profitable if we win more than lose. It happens seldom for long.

A smarter way is:
Use a table with no house advantages, like NOZ.
Do not use negative marty.

If we use a positive progression like Martingale, we have problem with limits, how far should we go.

My advice is using a positive aggressive method.  We will not have long streaks winning very often.

We start with one unit, and if we win and are break even or plus we stand at one.

If we lose we NEVER progress.

If we are not back in balance we progress Grand Martingale style.

We pay a chip a spin until we are on track.

That is better than plain Marty, as four wins is  1 3 7 15 instead of 1 2 4 8, a better recover rate.

We check and as Oscars Grind we never bet more than winning one.

It may sometimes take a while to reach new high. We can lose as we are back 100 units, which is 100 spins
without a streak of  6.  The likehood is  1 to 32 on NOZ.

It may be some I have not seen here, but I have not lost a session. Been close to it but that is because of TIME limit at NOZ.

We can lose, but not too often
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 01:06:44 PM by Jesper »

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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 03:22:20 PM »
A situation with 100 spins back, 100 units  up in the last 6 spins.

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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 04:15:48 PM »
Run your progression here on any outside bet...

http://www.loothog.com/Systems/PHP/ultima.php

I set the progression to 1, 3, 7, 15

Bankroll of \$500

Max Spins 100

After 10 sessions of 100 spins each (stopping at 100 spins), 7 out of 10 sessions came out positive.

Here is each session... 30,10,-34,56,-80,10,-82,40,70,40 = +60u profit.

Much more testing would be needed of course. What if you capped any bad session if you reached a loss of 20u? You would have been up +121 instead of only +60.

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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 04:22:25 PM »

Here is another set of 10 sessions... 4 out of 10 were positive.

-50,-20,10,-22,-50,56,34,10,-60,-34 = -106

If you capped the bad sessions you would actually be up +10 overall.

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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 04:40:54 PM »
The data I posted was for single 0 wheel.

Ive never played NOZ table so I had to research it. What are the benefits?

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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 07:50:32 PM »
Jake, this is a reverse Martinagale where we only bet 1 until we win.  Is that how you set the parameters?
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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2017, 08:06:52 PM »
Jake, this is a reverse Martinagle where we only bet 1 until we win.  Is that how you set the parameters?

Reyth... I missed the fact that it was reverse Martingale. After re-running this on Loothog, it still doesnt look very promising. However thats using a single 0

Sorry for the mix up!

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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 08:14:47 PM »
Try it as I play it, the software used may do different. We use the progressions ONLY when we are backwards.

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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2017, 08:55:13 PM »
Jake!

It is of course easier to win if no house advantages.

I have used this method on zero wheel as well, if surrender it is not very much difference.

I did this play just now using a zero-wheel  which will take all the outside bets if zero.

We get a streak rather often and six is   1  3  7   15   31  63  a lot of spins recovered.

It will sometimes take some spins.

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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 10:22:58 PM »
We get a streak rather often and six is   1  3  7   15   31  63  a lot of spins recovered.

1+3+7+15+31+63= 120 spins

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##### Re: How to use the martingale?
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2017, 07:01:45 AM »
This one also on a zero-wheel. went back about 60 u.  Got 9 winnings in a row, but stop the progression when  a head one unit.
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