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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #690 on: February 07, 2018, 07:34:25 PM »
It will be very interesting to see what the differences are between your recommended method of play and Jerry's test method of play.  I hope this can be made clear. :)
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #691 on: February 07, 2018, 08:32:00 PM »
I think its better to stick with the same wheel until you get a new high profit - if you've had some triggers that lost, that wheel should follow the expectation of hitting at the next triggers. If you switch wheel you may be unlucky and find that wheel has a couple of non-hitters as well, but you've already increased bet size with your progression. I think it is good to switch around wheels though and this helps you bet quicker too. Obviously Pales alternative system allows bets to be very quick but it's a different system, with less testing so I'd rather stick with XYY for now.

Also in some casinos you can use the video terminals and view wheels from other branches of that casino brand, from other cities. You should always be able to view at least 3 live wheels using the terminals so can flit about between them. I also like the privacy of the terminals and there is less distractions.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #692 on: February 07, 2018, 09:19:09 PM »
If you have lost several triggers back to back in one roulette, of course you have to stay at that table.
Because what will happen next, it's connected to what already happened in that table.
If you change table under these circumstances you might lose that connection.
But when things run smoothly as expected, sure you can jump from any table to another.
You also get more betting opportunities that way.
And for those who use virtual losses, you might spot a nice opportunity in some table.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #693 on: February 07, 2018, 09:29:57 PM »
Exactly Pales. I think from everyone who has contributed to this thread, I seem to be the one who is sticking closest to the system and making use of the flags and so on. My 2 week plan will be a great test for this system. I'm looking forward to it even if it fails - just to see how it goes!

My plan is to build up bankroll and increase bet size so I wonder if when I get to about 5 pounds or higher per unit, I will start to wait for a virtual loss before betting, to increase win rate. That sounds preferable to getting caught in divisor hell going up and down trying to recover to profit and wasting what would be a lot more time - and potentially going bust too.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #694 on: February 07, 2018, 09:46:50 PM »
I look forward to your test results.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #695 on: February 07, 2018, 09:53:30 PM »
As you pointed  out, the starting chip value has a lot to do with how you play a system.
If I play with 10 cents in an online casino, I can do a ton of progression steps without worrying about going broke. And most of the time I will be winning.
If you play with high value chips, you  cannot go very far with the progression, because of fear that you will go broke. So you will abandon before you complete all the steps that you usually complete with low value bets.
Therefore you can't judge the success of a system, by testing it with very low value chips.
It can be misleading. Unless you are willing to go thru with the same progression you went thru with low value chips.
When you play with higher value chips every system has to be tweaked to incorporate DEFENSES. Something you don't have to do when you play with negligible chips.
Virtual losses is the best defense, even if it takes patience to implement it.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #696 on: February 07, 2018, 09:54:42 PM »
i can go in my file and extract the portion where it failed but i played continuously with no red flag and no ‘new 3 trigger’ i mean i only play 3 steps of the trigger but if a second one started inside the first one i lost i bet directly this one. But i never pursue a trigger after 3 loss i start a new one. Only Yxx.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #697 on: February 07, 2018, 10:48:14 PM »
There you go.
When I first started testing it, I did not check for red flags and I was always using fresh numbers for  new triggers. Because I wanted to check as many numbers as possible.  Checking for red flags during testing  would've made the testing very slow.
The results were very good, (even ignoring red flags),  however I encountered several 3 back to back losses, and 2 times 4 back to back losses. Going back and examining those 3 back to back and 4 back to back losses,
they were the results of ignoring the red flags for the majority of the 3 back to back losses, and all the results of the 4 back to back losses were because of the presence of red flags.
In fact it was  all those b2b losses that gave birth to the red flags. 
Now you are saying that you use triggers form numbers already used in the previous results to speed things up. 
I always wait for a new trigger after finishing with one. If I don't want o wait in one roulette I look for it in another. One of them should have it.
Continuous betting can be very harmful and should be avoided.
I assume that you play online?
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #698 on: February 08, 2018, 08:22:18 AM »
Yes i agree some series are very borderline especially when there’s something like xxxxyxxxxxyxxxxx in these series we can experience the most problems as i saw. Anyway can you resume which red flags you are using ?
i think about :
- what do you do exactly with the zero ? not sure i have to consider as red flag and that it really influence except if they come in packs.
- 3 or more y just before the yxx flag is clearly a red flag situation.
- other long xxxx yyyy zzzz series just before the trigger is strong red flag as well.
- i saw the best is xyz or zyx or yxz/zxy before the trigger as very good maybe the best to bet the yxx trigger. What about yxx/yzz/ for example before yxx trigger ?
- when a number repeat in the trigger you skip the trigger or wait one more ?

and a final word yes the though progression is the killer for this system. Ideally this system would have to be played flat with high value chips in my opinion but not sure it’s possible in the long run we can produce more wins than lose $ ratio.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #699 on: February 14, 2018, 01:52:16 PM »
Hello all,

although this is an "old" topic, I only came over it this weekend!
I can say that currently, I'm only around page 20, so I got some reading left (will try to finish today).

I decided to implement my own software for this, as spreadsheets sometimes aren't clear enough (and confusing), and the other software which tracks columns, dozens and lately, DS (I don't know if it was released to public in the remaining 27 pages that I need to read) it's not easy to read it in a fast way, as triggers for each type of bet can be shifted from each other.

As I said, I did not tested the version of the last screenshot, where DS were included, so I might be writing something wrong.

For obvious reasons I will start with the dozens, and then, escalate to columns and 2 DS.
It's hard to track those 3 at same time, but I want to know if we got some advantage about using them together.

I will implement 2 red flags:

  • If the dozen with the majority, appears in the first 2 betting spins, STOP
  • if there's any dozen which repeats 3 times in the last 5 spins BEFORE the possible trigger, it will not be a trigger
When the thing is working with the above read flags, I will add the tweak (will be an on / off option):
  • trigger only if XYY, and X not appeared last 3 spins before trigger (I think this is the correct way I've read, if not, please correct me)
With this last option (which is supposed to make everything safer) and tracking the 3 types of bets simultaneously, it can be interesting.

I also want to implement some sort of bankroll status, individual for each type of bet (when I add columns and DS).

I've played this in the last days, using 0.50€ base bet, and I managed to go from only 20€ (40 units) up to 70€.
As for progression I've used:

1 1 2
2 3 3
4 4 5
5 6 6
7 7 8
8 8 9
9 10 10

This is 108 units. (very close the the 100x unit value jekhb76 said)
Never reached the bottom of this.
Target was 5€ (10 units), then take a break.

if win on first column of each row, I go up one level (otherwise, next bet will be on same level, unless a lower bet is required to be in profit or equal previous higher BR)

Obviously, reset on tie or new high.

I've sent jekhb76 a PM, as he seems to be profiting a lot with this, asking for some clarification, no reply so far.

By the way, one thing I've missed so far in this first half of pages, is the stop loss besides the 100x unit value for starting BR (which can be an auto stop loss) or 50 units as jekhb76 pointed / plays..

I see people focusing in the best progression for a very long bad session, but it might be useful to have a good (low) stop loss, as back to back losses are not frequent (maybe stop on a 3rd back to back loss?).

Back to the software I want to implement:
Is anyone interested in help testing this piece of software I will implement?

First it will be a web based application. Then it might become a Desktop app, with clicking capabilities for those who play online, if the thing works good :)
All cross platform.
As a Linux user, i always try to build things to everyone.

By the way, I've only tried this method online, on some tables of Evolution Gaming (specially speed roulette, because of, speed) and some live casino feeds. Results are perfectly within the expected values I've read so far.

If anyone want this app to go MOBILE (Android), please let me know as soon as possible.

Thank you all for your sharing :)
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #700 on: February 14, 2018, 02:27:07 PM »

I would be happy to test the software/Android App.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #701 on: February 14, 2018, 08:43:28 PM »
Evening all!

It's been 9 months since I posted here (not through choice, working in Africa 28 days at a time and then 28 days with the family is more time consuming that one would think).

However, I'd like to report...I'm still using this single dozen method as part of my system and it's still performing. I think it's great how this thread has developed into 47 pages, I hope people are using it wisely and making money.

About 2 months after I posted I lost a good chunk of my profit. When studying the reasons why I realised I missed several opportunities to hold back due to red flags. When using this method, pay close attention to red flags - if you do it will provide the basis for a great primary strategy (or in my case a great recovery/back-up strategy).

Anyway - to add my tuppence worth to this thread, I started playing a slightly different variation through sector betting, and it works great.

Method:

- Create 3 dozen consecutive sectors on the wheel, 12 numbers per sector.
- Record the order of appearance as you would the "normal" dozen
- Bet as per Palestis's method.

Hope this is useful to someone.

P.s. I haven't forgotten about putting up my "Physicalists grail" strategy...and I will do at some point.

Cheers,

Cone
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #702 on: February 14, 2018, 10:27:37 PM »
Welcome back sir!
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #703 on: February 14, 2018, 11:06:54 PM »
Sad to say but in many ways i’ve tested the system is not working i’m moving to other topics.

jerome
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #704 on: February 15, 2018, 10:06:25 AM »
Can you reply some data about that?
So far, almost all the bad sessions and busts from others members, once checked by palestis, some faults in triggers were found.

I'm not saying this will not bust.
Obviously it will. But money money management isn't only about progressions.
Each progression should have is own stop loss. In fact, as I said above, almost no one gave a stop loss.

What do you think of an AP player, if he almost says AP is the only way to win, and if he can win an average of 35K GBP / year ? (sometimes with days loosing 3k, 5k, or more....)

Do you know any system player making more than this?
Do you think this is not a great amount for AP Player?

I'm not asking for real values, just would like to know from the most experienced system players, if this amount is seems good, or not good based on what AP players say about AP.

This is not off topic, it's 100% related with this system to bust, or not bust.
Even big companies in IT area, clothes, what ever, reach the end of some years almost with no profit or down a bit.

Cheers
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