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Jesper

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Looking for a method standing the worst?
« on: February 05, 2017, 12:12:45 PM »

There are sometimes discussion on how to avoid or overcome the "worst". Many different ways have been seen, but the true is there is not such a way. It would be possible to find a method which were able to hold for all except the very ultimo worst session.

We have seen many trials, and this discussions are very long threads. Manly because it is vague explanations, how it is to play.
Remember the labby which use a large number of zeros and a few number one. There was also a way (which either not work or I do not grasp it) to make the bet in the labby more likely to win, by some parlay which I never understood. As I saw it it should win if we
anyhow win flat, and at the end it would be a normal labby and if one figure left it would be a martingale.

I do not think we can make something which must win, but we can make it more likely to win, the cost is we win very little.

I play around a bit with the long labby, and ended up with something which hardly is a labby and hardly is a martingale.
It seems to be able to stand rather harsh sessions, but gain very small.

I have had session of 1000   spins and a few chips plus. Never lost yet, but that is quite possible.

As the "Johnson" or what ever the name, we start with a lot of figures, like 50 to 70 number 1.
A bit less the half the time we will be a head by  at least one in the run of 50 to 60 spins.

We bet two chips on an EC, and cross two number one on a win. Start over as soon we are on plus in the session.
On a loss we write number 2 on a line below.

If we not win more bet than we lost, when the line of number 1 is gone, we start with the line of two.

The line of two are in near all cases shorter.

We bet 4 at the time and cross two of the two's in the line. On a loss we writ 4 in the line underneath.
We stop as soon we are on a better balance.

We can in the worst case end up with one or to  256, 512, 1024. I think it will not be often, and we can stop
and take the loss far before.


 
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Re: Looking for a method standing the worst?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2017, 12:58:51 PM »
I agree with your view Jesper that
"I do not think we can make something which must win, but we can make it more likely to win, the cost is we win very little."
I think that " the worst" depends on your session's bankroll . Playing at a B&M casino we don't have the option of betting with 0.1 pennies so  the number of chips we can buy is limited to our bankroll. Any plan we have must be catered for within that budget . This was the view of Palestis and Harry J when talking about " ranges " .Their chosen range reducing the outlay and thus aiding the chance  of recovering a loss.
Unless  losing a large bankroll is of little consequence to you, talk of risking 400-500 or 1024 chips is living with Alice in Wonderland IMO. We really need to be aware that ANY method  may lose at some point . Reality beats Theory  !   
 
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Re: Looking for a method standing the worst?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2017, 01:14:50 PM »
 The way to make your bet selection to survive is to collect data. Little bankroll is not a problem and being little , can easily being replaced. Issue here is reliance on " hit and run" to be in profit.
   Proper bet selection have to stand it's grounds ( providing positive edge), ones it's confirmed, all other issues are secondary.
   Loosing bankroll is not the end of the world, if your win is somethin like 20 of these " bankrolls "for any given session. It's not about what you risk egainst what you win , but rather percentage of your expected win egainst your possible loss.
 So , f..ck the session bankroll, press hard when you must in order to win as much as you can.
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Re: Looking for a method standing the worst?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2017, 05:19:22 PM »
" So , f..ck the session bankroll, press hard when you must in order to win as much as you can "
So you have an unlimited bankroll ,, Mr. Perfect ?
 

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2017, 05:52:31 PM »
" So , f..ck the session bankroll, press hard when you must in order to win as much as you can "
So you have an unlimited bankroll ,, Mr. Perfect ?
Not nessesarely. I often adopt very agressive way of betting( if lm sure about the wheel). It help to multiply initial session bank multiple times. Session bank is not all bankroll l have available to play. I can permit myself to take higher risk for higher reward if game is worth it.
   Sometimes l get burned by such approach, but when it works well, result more then compensate for accasional relatively small losses.
 

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2017, 07:05:08 PM »
" So , f..ck the session bankroll, press hard when you must in order to win as much as you can "
So you have an unlimited bankroll ,, Mr. Perfect ?
Not nessesarely. I often adopt very agressive way of betting( if lm sure about the wheel). It help to multiply initial session bank multiple times. Session bank is not all bankroll l have available to play. I can permit myself to take higher risk for higher reward if game is worth it.
   Sometimes l get burned by such approach, but when it works well, result more then compensate for accasional relatively small losses.

You still avoid saying what your initial bankroll is Mr. P. Nor do you say what the extra available bankroll is. Your idea also depends on " IF "s and shows the "Greedy" instincts of a rookie gambler.
I am not impressed by your claimed method.
 

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Re: Looking for a method standing the worst?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2017, 08:37:30 PM »
 Obviously you are not impressed , Scepticus.  I do not play your 9 block super system that ocasionally permits you not to loose. What could compare to such a titanic  ( pun intended) achievement? 
 

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Re: Looking for a method standing the worst?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2017, 09:21:06 PM »


Hold on there you two!
 

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Re: Looking for a method standing the worst?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2017, 04:14:10 PM »


Hold on there you two!

I know, Reyth,  I  know. I should just ignore them. I  just  think  that newbies may be  misled into believing that following their advice they could " win a million" or become "Roulette Professionals ".
I'll try Reyth, I'll try  !
 

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Re: Looking for a method standing the worst?
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2017, 02:19:39 AM »
Btw, Jesper, this happens to be Blue Angel's FHG:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=669.msg9127#msg9127

Although it holds strong for awhile, I have seen it fail like you have said it can and I detail that failure in the above thread.

How do you propose to institute a stop loss and what should be done for recovery?
 
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Re: Looking for a method standing the worst?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2017, 04:45:22 AM »
Btw, Jesper, this happens to be Blue Angel's FHG:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=669.msg9127#msg9127

Although it holds strong for awhile, I have seen it fail like you have said it can and I detail that failure in the above thread.

How do you propose to institute a stop loss and what should be done for recovery?


Not at all, BA use some thought about the 37 cycle and strict martingale.  . He bet in the example very high in order to eventually catch up. If we look for a HG we fall in this trap (as it is not supposed to lose). The example provided here we are on bet of six the row have eight six, and we can decide to stop, with a moderat loss.

Here I  changed method. We can never avoid losses, and catching up can sometimes go fast, and sometimes it take months.

We have seen many attempt to fight "the worst", simple  we can not, there is no such way. We must try to smell  hole before we are deep in.

All negative progressions will at some point go out of hand, if we continue bet more and more. How far we go is up to the player. In a game like this I would take a loss within 10 to 40 Euro. This can be won later, and it can take between a few hours or never.   

One player told me, "The only way to beat the game is to be a head when we die."
 
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