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How long before we double the bet?
« on: February 01, 2017, 03:33:40 PM »
If we play a straight up for 37 spins, and it is lost, we can start a progression. A progression can go out of hands if we never get the hit.

I have seen by playing single numbers and streets, we can as well bet more than the min before we progress. If we let the straight up run for 50 or 60 spins, we can still win. We can hit more than once we can get an early hit.

The game I just done was on  NOZ using 0.05 cent and double the bet after 50 spins (389 autospins)..



 
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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2017, 09:04:53 AM »
Extended the play to wait 150 spins before double the bet.   

33    2 spins   1
34   38 spins   1
05
-58
10
72   220 spins  2
98   230 spins  1 

Was betting at most 2 units and was down at most  58.

This is done on a zero wheel, as a session may take more time than we can do on NOZ without resetting the commission count.

 
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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 09:29:24 AM »

100 spins no hit on number 15 bet 1u.
105 spins  1 hit on number 15 bet 1u. Balance -69.
107 spins  2 hit on number 15 bet 1u. balance  -35.
127 spins  3 hit on number 15 bet 1u. Balance  -19.
129 spins  4 hit on number 15 bet 1 u balance  15.

We can win without even have progressed the bet and have had
more than 100 missing bets on a straight up.
 
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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 11:04:01 AM »

zero hit 1 after 17 spins   19
zero hit 2 after 28 spins   44
zero hit 3 after 43 spins   65
zero hit 4 after 46 spins   98
zero hit 5 after 132 spins   48
zero hit 6 after 141 spins   75
150 spins with one unit and  66.
I am not on new high, but end the session on plus 66 u.

Start a new on number 3.
first 1 unit in 150 spins and
a target of 100 u.

Number 3 hit on spin 4    32
Number 3 hit on spin 39    33
Number 3 hit on spin 69   39
Number 3 hit on spin 78   66
Number 3 hit on spin 128  52
150 spins done using one chip,
the rules call for progression
using 2 chips, but as the whole session is on plus 30 i end it.

96 units in 300 spins, never
progressed.

This were rather easy the numbers were sleeping sometimes long , but clustered well to catch up, and without the need of progression.
 
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 01:42:26 PM »
Double on the loss is not a very good idea , unless....
  1. There is a way to limit variance ( prediction).
  2. Your bet has positive expectation and you do not bet too many numbers.
    However double on the win is all other story. Generally bankroll amount is used as a reference.  Double bank- double bet.
   Need to be a bit cautious,  instead of doubling bet, we can multiply it 150 % times for example. It will give additional smoothness to our bank growth and will allow for some " extra variance" . This way we cut risk of ruin in half each time when we double bankroll.  It permits to start with lower bank when we expect to " catch a ride" from some extra good conditions.
 

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 02:10:46 PM »
Double on the loss is not a very good idea , unless....
  1. There is a way to limit variance ( prediction).
  2. Your bet has positive expectation and you do not bet too many numbers.
    However double on the win is all other story. Generally bankroll amount is used as a reference.  Double bank- double bet.
   Need to be a bit cautious,  instead of doubling bet, we can multiply it 150 % times for example. It will give additional smoothness to our bank growth and will allow for some " extra variance" . This way we cut risk of ruin in half each time when we double bankroll.  It permits to start with lower bank when we expect to " catch a ride" from some extra good conditions.

I have done several session, and as we do 150 spins before any progressions we  can ride some negative variance. We have to get use of the clusters to come back to better balance, not need to many hits. Several sessions are practically just flat bet and no progression at all. 150% would need a smaller range, not 150 spins.
 

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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 03:02:56 PM »
Two more sessions, did no progression.

Bet on number 17.
Start with 150 spins at one unit.
target 100.

Got first 17 at spin 9   27.
Second hit at spin 49     23
Third hit at spin  92    16
4th hit at spin  106     38
5th hit at spin  113     67
Done 150 spins using 1 u.
Plus 30 and end the session
instead of progression.

Bet on number 2.
Start using 1 unit for 150 spins.
Number 2 hit at spin 23  13
Number 2 hit at spin 52  20
Number 2 hit at spin  108   -0
Number 2 hit at spin  127  17
150 spins done using 1 u.
Balance - 6.
To small loss for start a progression
I will make 50 more spins using 1 u.
Hit on number 2 at 153 spins   27 u.
End the session

Total  57 units in 303 spins.
 
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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2017, 03:16:23 PM »
148 spins would be exactly 4 cycles of 37 spins.  What scares me is that without clusters we cannot win.  If only there was some reliable way to recognize and switch out of a non-clustering number...

I guess it would be a certain stop loss?  Or a certain number of cycles?

I think with some research, this idea has alot of merit.
 

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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2017, 03:31:39 PM »

Bet number 34 for 150 spins.
34 hit at spin 2.   34
34 hit at spin 12   60
34 hit at spin  39  69
34 hit at spin  110  34
34 hit at spin 150  30
End session at 30 plus
Hit on last spin.

Up to now no progression was needed. Got a hit on the very last spin.

At least this shows we can wait some more and do not need to increase the bet after 36 losses.

We may see a 1000 sleep once i our life, some more around 500 and so on. It will take some spins until
we can come back on a difficult run, and we can as well lose.  Anyhow the bank would stand more with a progression not want it all at once.
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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2017, 05:13:59 PM »
Got one problematic round.

Bet number 11.
hit 11 at spin 12  +24
hit 11 at spin 56  +16
hit 11 at spin 79  +29
hit 11 at spin  105 +39
hit 11 at spin  110 +70
150 spins done using 1 u
plus 30.
have not yet got a situation
a progression is needed.

Run an other using number 11.
Got a hit at spin 3 did not saw it
at spin 23 it is +13.

150 spins no more hit -114 u.

Start progression 2 u.
11 hit at spin 202  -146
11 hit at spin 215  -100
150 more spins   -  -270

Last run using 4 chips.
11 hit at spin  303 -138
11 hit at spin  388 -334
11 hit at spin  430 -358
450 spins  and -438

Change to an other method
for recover, target 500.

Bet number  0,1,2,4,19,29,32
with 0.1

hit number 1 at spin 459   -708
bet 0.2 on number 1.
hit 29 at spin 461    -508.
hit 0 at spin 462  -228
(add to the hitted numbers).
Hit number 1 at spin  463.
balance is +392
End recover.
 

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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2017, 05:24:37 PM »
Got one problematic round.

Bet number 11.
hit 11 at spin 12  +24
hit 11 at spin 56  +16
hit 11 at spin 79  +29
hit 11 at spin  105 +39
hit 11 at spin  110 +70
150 spins done using 1 u
plus 30.
have not yet got a situation
a progression is needed.

Run an other using number 11.
Got a hit at spin 3 did not saw it
at spin 23 it is +13.

150 spins no more hit -114 u.

Start progression 2 u.
11 hit at spin 202  -146
11 hit at spin 215  -100
150 more spins   -  -270

Last run using 4 chips.
11 hit at spin  303 -138
11 hit at spin  388 -334
11 hit at spin  430 -358
450 spins  and -438

Change to an other method
for recover, target 500.

Bet number  0,1,2,4,19,29,32
with 0.1

hit number 1 at spin 459   -708
bet 0.2 on number 1.
hit 29 at spin 461    -508.
hit 0 at spin 462  -228
(add to the hitted numbers).
Hit number 1 at spin  463.
balance is +392
End recover.
if you are hunting the number , make sure general conditions are favorable.  Some numbers are more likely to come up when rotor is slow ( or qweak), others when ball jump more on average ( or less)... can be any combination of above as well. Online you could check history for example... and see is number has this property of " clustering ",  try to collect vb data at the next moment of its clustering to determine best conditions or favorable dealer.  If everything done properly, results may be breath taking
 

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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2017, 06:20:08 PM »
Wow nice reovery.  I like your example of switching up methods.  I just did a similar thing and fully recovered my loss.

Started with street and got hammered for like 100 spins.  Recovered 50% of debt and moved to quad then to DS and then finally back to quad.  Played a split in there for one cycle too. ;)

I think a quad is like the best selection. :D
 
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Re: How long before we double the bet?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2017, 04:46:19 AM »


it is possible to win long term playing 1 single number.
but not by picking any number. I stick to live numbers
I play sessions. so I cut my losses at some point. it is a must for protection.
keeping track of winning and losing cycles, (38 spins), helps me anticipate winning cycles.
a small progression do help, dont have to double.
knowing when to call it a day helps aslo.
playing virtual bets help me get the timing right many times. (when luck is on your side)
thank you for sharing, like your post.
God bless,
Rinaldo
 
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