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Critical Mass
« on: January 17, 2017, 04:52:01 PM »
No matter what betselection you have, IF you don't have the right amount bet, it doesn't matter how good it is, it will lose in the End. I know from testing in RX, i've flatbet 1000s of spins with different betselections, and what i found IS 7 numbers is the optimal bet.

This is played with 1-7 numbers. it's a repeaters system. Good results from the first tests, and I try to figure out the optimal wingoal and stoploss, AND in my opinion the optimal stoploss for this one would be 250-300u, and the optimal wingoal would be then ~100-150u.

Moneymanagement is not my best side, but to be a successful player you must have good moneymanagement. IF your playing without a set wingoal and stoploss, you'll also lose in the End. So, anyone with more experience from real play in casinos could share their Moneymanagement secret for the benefit of all...
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Procedure: Bet every number that hit, in a progressive bet upto 7 numbers, then STOP (1+1+1+1+1+1+1 number bet). When 7 numbers are bet, (+1u bet) and start a +1u progression, until hit, (or until Stoploss is reached). IF hit, restart bet with that single number hit.

(First tests was played with 1u bets)

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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2017, 04:53:05 PM »
more spins...
 

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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2017, 04:53:42 PM »
more spins...
 

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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2017, 06:35:52 PM »
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. IF your playing without a set wingoal and stoploss, you'll also lose in the End. So, anyone with more experience from real play in casinos could share their Moneymanagement secret for the benefit of all...

If your system works, then why do you need a win goal?

The truth is, if your system or method works, then your goal should be.to win as much as possible.  The only reason you should hit and run is to preserve the opportunity if you feel that you could stand out, or "burn up the opportunity. "

Money management is the easiest part to gambling with an edge.  It's getting the edge that's hard.
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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2017, 06:45:59 PM »
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. IF your playing without a set wingoal and stoploss, you'll also lose in the End. So, anyone with more experience from real play in casinos could share their Moneymanagement secret for the benefit of all...

If your system works, then why do you need a win goal?

Sure it "works" about 80% of the time the wingoal is reached, playing longer than that would increase chances of a bad sequence to happen, that the nature of roulette and random. You can't win 100% so you better quit when you're ahead of the game
 

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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2017, 08:44:59 PM »
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. IF your playing without a set wingoal and stoploss, you'll also lose in the End. So, anyone with more experience from real play in casinos could share their Moneymanagement secret for the benefit of all...

If your system works, then why do you need a win goal?

Sure it "works" about 80% of the time the wingoal is reached, playing longer than that would increase chances of a bad sequence to happen, that the nature of roulette and random. You can't win 100% so you better quit when you're ahead of the game

Then do I need to state the obvious?

If a system relies on "quitting while ahead" then the system obviously doesn't work.

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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2017, 09:18:38 PM »
If a system works you don t need a hit and run approach.
The bad sequence you mentioned can happen from the beginning so what will save you then?
The real winning system has no bad sequences
It is able to overcome them during playing.
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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2017, 12:54:56 AM »
If a system works you don t need a hit and run approach.
The bad sequence you mentioned can happen from the beginning so what will save you then?
The real winning system has no bad sequences
It is able to overcome them during playing.

This can happen just as easily to an AP player.  If an AP player was lucky enough to find a defective wheel that gave him a slight advantage, it could still take 100s if not thousands of spins to make a profit.

I've often played 300 to 400 spins on an American 00 wheel and came out ahead, despite the 5% house edge...which proves even with an advantage it could take a LONG time for it to work out. 
 
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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2017, 03:00:11 AM »
If a system works you don t need a hit and run approach.
The bad sequence you mentioned can happen from the beginning so what will save you then?
The real winning system has no bad sequences
It is able to overcome them during playing.

This can happen just as easily to an AP player.  If an AP player was lucky enough to find a defective wheel that gave him a slight advantage, it could still take 100s if not thousands of spins to make a profit.

I've often played 300 to 400 spins on an American 00 wheel and came out ahead, despite the 5% house edge...which proves even with an advantage it could take a LONG time for it to work out.
What kind of " luck" is this? Finding wheel that offers slight advantage simply mean you are doomed. Too much work. Advantage should be as high as you can get, there are other things in life and they require time also.
   There is very big difference between lets say 5% of advantage and 15%.  If you find 30-40%, it becomes all other story....

 
 

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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2017, 03:41:55 AM »
If a system works you don t need a hit and run approach.
The bad sequence you mentioned can happen from the beginning so what will save you then?
The real winning system has no bad sequences
It is able to overcome them during playing.

This can happen just as easily to an AP player.  If an AP player was lucky enough to find a defective wheel that gave him a slight advantage, it could still take 100s if not thousands of spins to make a profit.

I've often played 300 to 400 spins on an American 00 wheel and came out ahead, despite the 5% house edge...which proves even with an advantage it could take a LONG time for it to work out.
What kind of " luck" is this? Finding wheel that offers slight advantage simply mean you are doomed. Too much work. Advantage should be as high as you can get, there are other things in life and they require time also.
   There is very big difference between lets say 5% of advantage and 15%.  If you find 30-40%, it becomes all other story....

I agree!  That is too much work.  I'm not an AP player.  Just making the point that even an AP player could have a long loosing streak as well. 
 

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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2017, 10:05:45 AM »
Of course AP player can have loosing steak as well.
 Playing with the edge simply mean that you are more likely to win, providing that you will play for adequate amount of trials to your edge manifest itself and have a  bank to survive variance. 
   More edge you got, less bank you need, less time to manifest edge is required.

 
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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2017, 05:43:42 PM »
All posts referring to gambler's fallacy, "all systems lose" etc. will be dumped to the gambler's fallacy mega-thread. They are not system specific.
 

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Re: Critical Mass
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2017, 07:18:53 PM »
All posts referring to gambler's fallacy, "all systems lose" etc. will be dumped to the gambler's fallacy mega-thread. They are not system specific.

Don't worry Kav,

We will try really hard to keep logic and common sense out of this thread.