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Duncan

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What is a good bankroll?
« on: December 30, 2016, 08:23:14 AM »
[admin: this was moved here from the Talos system topic]

In my opinion any system that requires more than 50 chips BR is not a system but a suicide.
So 1400 chips BR is a circus.
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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2016, 09:49:33 AM »
Any system that promises success with 50chips or less is either a scam or not thoroughly tested. 50 chips bankroll is just wishful thinking and unrealistic. And people with unrealistic expectations,  like losing 50 kilos in a month or a winning system with 50units draw-down are more likely to be taken advantage of by scams.

Inadequate bankroll is IMO the no2 reason why most system players lose.
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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2016, 09:57:47 AM »
Till now none on the planet has win the game...
So 50 chips or 1500 is the same.So if anyone is saying he has beat the game with 1500 chips is also a scammer.
The difference is that losing 50 is nothing. While losing 1500 is really something.

IMO winning the game means accuracy of predictions(bets) and not progressions.

If something can not win FLAT betting then it can not win with progression.And the opposite.
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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2016, 10:07:33 AM »
50 chips can be .50 if you play for penny stakes.

One thing I have discovered from Dr. Talos is that there is "another world" out there in roulette that is not on the felt nor is it directly concerned with where the ball is landing on the wheel. 

Its the world where numbers have no identity, the world of faceless numbers.  Every number is the same, it counts as "one". 

In this world the only thing you have is your bankroll and how many units you bet and on how many units of "one".

Dr. Talos has discovered a way to survive in this world and I assure you it is not through flat betting although the goal DOES seem to be to make it as close to flat betting as possible.
 
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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2016, 10:10:39 AM »
50 chips can be .50 if you play for penny stakes.

When we say 50 or 1500 chips we mean number of chips...  not money value :)
 

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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2016, 10:18:45 AM »
So losing $15.00 is really something?
 

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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2016, 10:25:31 AM »
Here I am speaking about system s power/effectivness and not money loss...
If you need to believe that a big Br will save you and make you a winner then it s your right to do so :)
We are a free world and anyone can express his/her opinion. So this is what I did.

As I said if we bet random then no amount of BR can save us.
The only way to beat the game is to increase with some way the accuracy of predictions in a constant basis.
For example every 100 bets on Ec to be AT LEAST 51 wins and 49 losses (excluding zero...with the zero losses make the caluculation...)
 

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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2016, 10:32:35 AM »
Apart from rare and favorable variance it is simply impossible to maintain.  Dr. Talos would consider those rations fit for a king.  He has learned to survive on a mere 30 hits and not only survive but WIN!
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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2016, 10:53:10 AM »
It s also your choice to believe him  :)
 

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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2016, 12:48:52 PM »
Flat betting goes soon to the house advantages. Some sort of variation in bets is very needed, and it has not to be a progression neg or pos  , it can be other ways.  Flat bet or triggers can only work if we for some reason know what the ball is up to or can conclude from history, which in my option we can not.

I hear very often "if you can not win flat you can not win other ways". That is often just a parrot talking, because the sender never explain why.

Roulette IS a game of chance, but it is possible to some extent manipulate that fact. Variation  in bets is one way.
 
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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2016, 01:00:37 PM »

I hear very often "if you can not win flat you can not win other ways". That is often just a parrot talking, because the sender never explain why.


If you had tested millions of real spins and you had seen what randomness is capable of doing or NOT doing you would understand.
It s not a parrot matter... its a matter of experience
 

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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2016, 01:17:03 PM »
Till now none on the planet has win the game...
So 50 chips or 1500 is the same.So if anyone is saying he has beat the game with 1500 chips is also a scammer.
The difference is that losing 50 is nothing. While losing 1500 is really something.

IMO winning the game means accuracy of predictions(bets) and not progressions.
I'm sorry you don't get it, but the difference is that a larger bankroll can stand greater variance. And variance is there, even if you have somehow increased the "accuracy of predictions". And variance is your greatest enemy.

Before you start believing that "improving the accuracy of predictions" (common scammer's buzzwords) is even possible, please do yourself a favor and go to the basics: learn the value of bankroll.

I apologise if I sound a bit harsh, but people with unrealistic expectations of a winning method with 50 chips maximum bankroll is one reason scammers with all kinds of outrageous claims are still in business.
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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2016, 01:43:51 PM »
My first long post got lost due to I had to log in, so I wrote a smaller, and then the program told me I am double posting, I cancel and lost that post as well.

The posts must survive a log in, and not flag duplicate when it is not.

I make it very short this third attempt.

i play pennies to get a large bankroll.
 
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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2016, 01:47:20 PM »
I'm really sorry Jesper. If you find the time and patience I'd love to read your longer post.
 

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Re: What is a good bankroll?
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2016, 02:22:01 PM »
 Duncan ...

What do you mean by Bankroll?
Do you talk about Master Bankroll or Daily Bankrolls at the casino?

Assume i have 5K or 5000 EUR as my Master Bankroll - that means that Money is exclusive invsetment for gambling and my expectation is a return around 10/20% or more.

First some one need to decide what to play and what kind of method.
Assume i want to play EC.

Then i need 20 to 30 units for each Daily bankroll attacking the EC with one game/session.
And as my loss limit is 50% so does that mean 40 or 60 units in reality - in real World.
So if i lose 20 or 30 units with one Daily bankroll i don't go home with empty wallet and as a loser.
No i keep 50% for Another time and put them back into my Masterbankroll.

So now you decide that you will try to play two games during your visit and maybe three or four games/sessions.
This means you need four Daily bankrolls with 40 or 60 units each.

1 EUR table minimum 60 EUR x 4 = 240 EUR
10 EUR table minimum 600 EUR x 4 = 2400 EUR

Here above can you see that you probably not afford playing a 10 EUR minimum table.
So you are left playing 1 or 2 EUR air ball machine.

And all that with 5000 EUR bankroll - but if you have 10K or 10000 EUR feel free to play EC on a 10 EUR minimum table.

I follow John Patricks advice when it comes to manage money.
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