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Parachute!
« on: December 25, 2016, 07:25:48 PM »

I want to show a variant that open up my mind - but first i want to introduce you to the basic methodology of parachute.
This image and example of the 36 Unit Grand Parachute is from Victor VLS.





 
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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2016, 07:54:48 PM »
What i notice is that if you would use each combination with the same odds and probability as EC then the liklehood would be very high that you win.
Take for example Half, Dozen, Line, Street, Split, Straight - that is a total of six combination.
That is 98.5% probability of winning at least once and 1.5% losing all six.

Converting a sequence of outcomes to an EC bet - credits goes to Bayes:

A Dozens and columns if there at least 2 outcomes in 5 spins this is equivalent to an EC.
A double street hitting at least once in 4 spins is equivalent to an EC.
A street hitting at least once in 8 spins is equivalent to an EC.
A split hitting at least once in 12 spins is equivalent to an EC.
A single number hitting at least once in 25 spins is equivalent to an EC.

Spin #   What to bet   Bet amount   Loss + cost   Amount won   Total profit
1   Half            
2   Half            
3   Dozen            
4   Dozen            
5   Dozen            
6   Dozen            
7   Line            
8   Line            
9   Line            
10   Line            
11   Street            
12   Street            
13   Street            
14   Street            
15   Street            
16   Street            
17   Street            
18   Street            
19   Split            
20   Split            
21   Split            
22   Split            
23   Split            
24   Split            
25   Split            
26   Split            
27   Split            
28   Split            
29   Split            
30   Split            
31   Straight            
32   Straight            
33   Straight            
34   Straight            
35   Straight            
36   Straight            
37   Straight            
38   Straight            
39   Straight            
40   Straight            
41   Straight            
42   Straight            
43   Straight            
44   Straight            
45   Straight            
46   Straight            
47   Straight            
48   Straight            
49   Straight            
50   Straight            
51   Straight            
52   Straight            
53   Straight            
54   Straight            
55   Straight            

Some one could increase the odds and probability and put in a corner bet.
Half, Dozen, Line, Corner, Street, Split, Straight

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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2016, 08:00:35 PM »

So if some one would use Street, Split and Straight it would be the same as betting against three reds in a row - happy experimenting.
Same with Half, Dozen and Line.
All combinations you can Think of converts to EC bets.
 
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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2016, 09:04:50 AM »
 Here is a betselection or trigger from Victor/VLS

- Track all the numbers until there is only one number unhit.

- Wait until that number is spun.

- Use that number as a target number for the parachute.

- When on the lines/quads/split, always back the location most recently spun among those containing the target number.

On a hit, you simply "look back" in reverse until you find out which is the currently number which is unhit for the most spins.

This is your new target number.

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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2016, 11:37:13 AM »
Converting a sequence of outcomes to an EC bet - credits goes to Bayes:

A Dozens and columns if there at least 2 outcomes in 5 spins this is equivalent to an EC.
A double street hitting at least once in 4 spins is equivalent to an EC.
A street hitting at least once in 8 spins is equivalent to an EC.
A split hitting at least once in 12 spins is equivalent to an EC.
A single number hitting at least once in 25 spins is equivalent to an EC.

For a quad/corner bet the equivalent EC bet is at least one hit in 6 trials.
 
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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2016, 11:52:48 AM »
- Track all the numbers until there is only one number unhit.

Personally I would prefer to start betting when there are 5 numbers left unhit. The equivalent EC bet for 5 numbers (actually, 51.6%) is at least one hit in 5 trials. So you could increase the stake on each unhit number by one unit every 5 spins until a hit.

When you get a hit (so there are 4 numbers left) increase the stake as for a quad (one hit every 6 spins). When 3 numbers are left, increase by one unit every 8 spins. I would then leave it at that.

On average it takes about 70 spins before you have 5 unhit numbers so I wouldn't make this bet if the average is significantly lower than this.
 
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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2016, 01:50:50 PM »
This is a very important topic in my opinion. Both Sputnik's and Bayes' post are guiding us to a very specific, actionable roulette strategy. This is a topic to watch if you are bored with theoretical debates (which I enjoy) and want a practical system.
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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2016, 06:29:52 PM »
 Lee Tutor in hes book (The Roulette Winner) write about a Parachute system.
 He name it Umbrella System with above 96.7% probability to win using 86 steps.

 You can combine this material with Victors/VLS Grand Parashute or the EC variant.




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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2016, 06:59:42 PM »

 Here is the complete list for the EC Parachute Bet with odds around 99% probability ...

 1   Half            
 2   Half            
 3   Dozen            
 4   Dozen            
 5   Dozen            
 6   Dozen            
 7   Line            
 8   Line            
 9   Line            
10   Line            
11   Corner           
12   Corner           
13   Corner          
14   Corner           
15   Corner           
16   Corner            
17   Street            
18   Street            
19   Street           
20   Street           
21   Street            
22   Street            
23   Street            
24   Street           
25   Split            
26   Split            
27   Split            
28   Split            
29   Split            
30   Split            
31   Split            
32   Split            
33   Split            
34   Split            
35   Split            
36   Split           
37   Straight            
38   Straight            
39   Straight            
40   Straight            
41   Straight            
42   Straight            
43   Straight            
44   Straight            
45   Straight            
46   Straight            
47   Straight            
48   Straight            
49   Straight            
50   Straight            
51   Straight            
52   Straight            
53   Straight            
54   Straight            
55   Straight 
56   Straight
57   Straight
58   Straight
59   Straight
60   Straight
61   Straight         
 
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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2016, 09:13:35 PM »
This is a great system indeed.

But I think maybe we can collectively improve upon it a bit.

First of all there is the Bayes comment. I would like some more elaboration, clarification about it, I'm not sure I understand it fully:
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Personally I would prefer to start betting when there are 5 numbers left unhit. The equivalent EC bet for 5 numbers (actually, 51.6%) is at least one hit in 5 trials. So you could increase the stake on each unhit number by one unit every 5 spins until a hit.

When you get a hit (so there are 4 numbers left) increase the stake as for a quad (one hit every 6 spins). When 3 numbers are left, increase by one unit every 8 spins. I would then leave it at that.

On average it takes about 70 spins before you have 5 unhit numbers so I wouldn't make this bet if the average is significantly lower than this.

Then there is the idea of 5 players playing the system in collaboration. See here:
 A new system and a fresh way to look at progression
The idea is that we have the flexibility to bet maximum 5 chip on each spin, instead of staying always with 1 chip. This way we can still win lesser amounts if we get a hit on a dozen or double street.
For example we start as with the Parachute! but after a few losses instead of say going from the double-street to the street bet, we bet one chip on the double-street and add a second unit on the dozen. This way we still have greater chances of winning and still the bet is pretty low at just 2 units.

In short the variation I propose is this: Keep the concept of parachute, going from lower payout bets to higher payout bets. But you do this movement more slowly by helping your payouts with maximum 4 additional units. Maximum bet is 5 units - the units spread at various stages of the parachute.

For example in the 25th step instead of being with 1 unit on a split as per the original Parachute you could be betting 1 unit on a street and 2 units on the double-street. This way you achieve same payout with the split but have more chances of winning by betting 2 more units.

Hope this makes sense.
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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2016, 10:38:26 PM »
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For example in the 25th step instead of being with 1 unit on a split as per the original Parachute you could be betting 1 unit on a street and 2 units on the double-street. This way you achieve same payout with the split but have more chances of winning by betting 2 more units.

I like that idea and will try to rap my mind around it.

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Personally I would prefer to start betting when there are 5 numbers left unhit. The equivalent EC bet for 5 numbers (actually, 51.6%) is at least one hit in 5 trials. So you could increase the stake on each unhit number by one unit every 5 spins until a hit.

When you get a hit (so there are 4 numbers left) increase the stake as for a quad (one hit every 6 spins). When 3 numbers are left, increase by one unit every 8 spins. I would then leave it at that.

On average it takes about 70 spins before you have 5 unhit numbers so I wouldn't make this bet if the average is significantly lower than this.

I understand it like this, you wait for five unhit numbers, then you cover all numbers for five attempts.
After each cycle with five attempts you incrase by one unit until a hit.

When you got a hit you the play four numbers or quad.
Then you incrase the staking after each cycle fail, six attempts.

After the quad or four number has hit you do the same using a street where you increase the staking after each cycle with eight attempts or until a win.

That is how i understand it.
Bayes feel free to correct me on this.

Cheers

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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2016, 10:57:53 PM »
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For example in the 25th step instead of being with 1 unit on a split as per the original Parachute you could be betting 1 unit on a street and 2 units on the double-street. This way you achieve same payout with the split but have more chances of winning by betting 2 more units.

I like that idea and will try to rap my mind around it.


One disadvantage of my approach is that by betting more than 1 unit, in case of loss the lost units increase more rapidly, but the higher chance of hitting is worth it IMO. It is a good trade off.
 
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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2016, 11:05:10 PM »
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Personally I would prefer to start betting when there are 5 numbers left unhit. The equivalent EC bet for 5 numbers (actually, 51.6%) is at least one hit in 5 trials. So you could increase the stake on each unhit number by one unit every 5 spins until a hit.

When you get a hit (so there are 4 numbers left) increase the stake as for a quad (one hit every 6 spins). When 3 numbers are left, increase by one unit every 8 spins. I would then leave it at that.

On average it takes about 70 spins before you have 5 unhit numbers so I wouldn't make this bet if the average is significantly lower than this.

I understand it like this, you wait for five unhit numbers, then you cover all numbers for five attempts.
After each cycle with five attempts you incrase by one unit until a hit.

When you got a hit you the play four numbers or quad.
Then you incrase the staking after each cycle fail, six attempts.

After the quad or four number has hit you do the same using a street where you increase the staking after each cycle with eight attempts or until a win.

That is how i understand it.
Bayes feel free to correct me on this.

Cheers

But the 5 numbers must belong to the same double-street, right?
Otherwise, if the 5 numbers are scattered on the table, though it may be a good wagering plan, I don't see the relation to the Parachute system.
 

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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2016, 11:14:48 PM »
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But the 5 numbers must belong to the same double-street, right?
Otherwise, if the 5 numbers are scattered on the table, though it may be a good wagering plan, I don't see the relation to the Parachute system.

Yes sound good in Theory - but i can't see how to get five numbers on the layout using Parachute System as the other variants.
Maybe you right that we should look for a Line to fall into sleep and then when it awakes play the locations - will test that.

I made a short test and end up with +55 units ... but i have some questions ...
I set Roulette Extreme at auto to spin 74 spins or two cycles and eight to six number sleep.
Around 74 to 120 spins to expect five number at sleep.

I got this numbers 15, 2, 8, 24, 29,

The number hit once and i bet five times to get a hit - once cycle equal a EC bet

0. Hit = Sleeping numbers hit once
1. Loss = Bet five numbers with one unit each
2. Loss = Bet five numbers with one unit each
3. Loss = Bet five numbers with one unit each
4. Loss = Bet five numbers with one unit each
5. Loss = Bet five numbers with one unit each

Miss the first cycle with five attempts and wait for a new hit with my sleeping five numbers.

0. Hit
1. Won = Bet five numbers with two unit each

Now i move from five sleeping numbers to four sleeping numbers, but whish number to skip.
Should i bet the four unhit numbers as quad or should i skip Another number and have the hitting number among my four numbers or quad. No matter i just pick four out of my five numbers.

Now the cycle is six attempts for the four numbers or quad and i wait for them to hit once before my attack.

15 2 8 24

0. Hit
1. Loss
2. Won = Bet four numbers with one unit each
3.
4.
5.
6.

Now i won and bet a street with same process as above.

15 2 8

0. Hit
1. Loss
2. Won
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

For how many attempts would we increase out bets until a hit - we should have a stop loss.
Thinking about the beginning of this Parachute System.

Cheers
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Re: Parachute!
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2016, 11:22:53 PM »

I want to show a variant that open up my mind - but first i want to introduce you to the basic methodology of parachute.
This image and example of the 36 Unit Grand Parachute is from Victor VLS.



Posting that chart tells me nothing about what "parachute" is.