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Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« on: November 14, 2016, 11:49:16 PM »
I just wanted to share with you some insight from a reliable source.
We often talk about online casinos cheating
We have also explored the reliability issues with air-ball roulette
Now I can tell you that even physical roulette wheels are not more reliable than the above.

Do not misunderstand me. I'm not saying that all or most casinos are cheating their customers. I'm just saying that there are indeed establishments, both online and brick and mortar casinos that do not offer a fair game. I don't know the exact percentage of the problem; if this is like 1%, 5%, 10% or 20% of casinos, but I'm sure they exists.

My point is, I no longer consider the physical wheels more reliable in terms of fair game (cheating the player) than online RNG roulette, online live dealer games or airball roulette. It is more about the reliability of the company offering the game than the type of wheel.

An example of a rigged roulette wheel.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2016, 12:56:43 AM by kav »


 
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Re: Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2016, 12:13:02 AM »
Nobody agrees with me but I consider physical wheels more unreliable than RNG wheels simply because of the bias issue, where RNG wheels just deliver "pure" random numbers.  I could be convinced to simply say "there is no difference between the two" but I think there is ample evidence for physical wheel bias.
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Re: Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2016, 01:11:38 AM »
Nobody agrees with me but I consider physical wheels more unlreliable than RNG wheels simply because of the bias issue, where RNG wheels just deliver "pure" random numbers.  I could be convinced to simply say "there is no difference between the two" but I think there is ample evidence for physical wheel bias.
Wich one you would prefere to play for money? One you can see, whatever it does is right in front of your eyes.... other is simply a programme,  who knows what programmer programmed there????
 

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Re: Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2016, 01:18:51 AM »
As long as the RNG is trustworthy, I like playing RNG better.  Its faster which is also one of the reasons that it has such a bad reputation, people hit their "bad streak threshold" much faster.  I spin 500 spins an hour vs. a B&M 60 an hour.
 
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Re: Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2016, 01:26:38 AM »
I also much prefer RNG for the same reasons.
I believe that "Real" wheels (pun intended) are all flawed to
some extent and that if I am not able to harness the bias in
my favour (which for now I definitely cannot) then the inherent
bias will work against me.

Ian
 

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Re: Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2016, 01:59:36 AM »
Well I do not fear playing a physical wheel because my playstyle is random and so I feel like I will get my fair share of bias as I travel the mat.
 

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Re: Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2016, 02:06:27 AM »
The caveat to my preference of RNG, is that I am very, very leary of all
"small" online casino's. There are enough large established sites that are
profitable from their sportsbetting and just offer roulette as an extra, they
use known software and I trust them to
 a) not try to manipulate the software
 b) pay me out on request
Some of the smaller online casinos are rip offs, even if they do not manipulate the
software, if you are a consistent winner they will slow pay or restrict you or find ways
to Pi.. you off so that you go and win elsewhere. I have experienced this with other
betting so I believe it holds true for roulette too.

Ian
 

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Re: Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2016, 10:12:34 AM »
In the past I have explained, how you can build a RNG with a HE of 5,4% and still producing a random flow for an 37 RNG. Statistical is such a manipulation not provable. Only the research of the secret source code can do.

In a B&M casino I can complain the casino by the game authority. The casinos explored from the many exotic isles, I do not trust.
 
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Re: Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2016, 12:01:07 PM »
Still thinking that RNG roulette and REAL-Wheel roulette are the same?! :)))

Let me tell you a story. A real story, to be exact.

Few weeks back, I came in touch with this old friend of mine. He is a software programmer whom I haven't seen for couple of years.

-Hey there bro? Whats up?-me
-Everything's good bro. I've recently started working for xxx company.-he
-Yes? Good for you bro. I'm glad to hear that.-me-What are you working on now?
-We are currently developing software for few online casinos based in Curacao.-he
-And how are things rolling for you? Do you like working for this great company?-me
-I'm disappointed how dumb people are. RNG roulette - thats a f***ing cash cow. The casino owners got the power to set limits on how much the players can win.-he
-So how much they make? How much they give back to the players? 10%? 20%?-me
-Never underestimate people's greed and unexplainable need to possess the world bro. Never.-he said with a smile on his face.

We greeted and separated.

Conclusion:
Be wise - stay away from RNG roulette.

=GNO=
 
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Re: Are physical roulette wheels more fair than online roulette?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2016, 12:25:48 PM »
Nobody agrees with me but I consider physical wheels more unlreliable than RNG wheels simply because of the bias issue, where RNG wheels just deliver "pure" random numbers.  I could be convinced to simply say "there is no difference between the two" but I think there is ample evidence for physical wheel bias.
Wich one you would prefere to play for money? One you can see, whatever it does is right in front of your eyes.... other is simply a programme,  who knows what programmer programmed there? ???

I'm both on yours and Kav's side here:
1) software is easier to get manipulated. Someone just opens the code, changes few digits and VOILA.
2) casinos are in the business to make money, not to lose money. So if the manager of the casino is reckless and risk-taker (wants to make millions ASAP) he can implement various tactics and cheating methods (magnets etc) to take players money.

=GNO=
 
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