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The best piece of advice I have found - thanks Ken
« on: October 20, 2016, 01:48:36 AM »
What I love about our world today is that information, help, and ideas, as well as the means to
test them, are all just a keystroke away.

I believe this to be the single most important piece of advice I have found -

From Mr J's "Pay Close Attention" -

Come up with at least 20 different versions of your best method. Test each version to death, one at as time.
By testing the different flavours of the same method you get to understand why it sometimes works, why it
sometimes fails, how the different aspects interact and hopefully you end up with results as good as Ken's, or perhaps even better ?

Ian


 
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Re: The best piece of advice I have found - thanks Ken
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2016, 11:45:36 AM »
My best piece of advice is don't play rigid systems (or systems at all) and DO NOT use negative progressions.  If you can't win flat betting don't bet.
 
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Re: The best piece of advice I have found - thanks Ken
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2016, 12:57:59 PM »
My best piece of advice is don't play rigid systems (or systems at all) and DO NOT use negative progressions.  If you can't win flat betting don't bet.
It's a good point to use progressions only if you are able to win flat betting.
 Progressions do one thing only..  they are multiplier of advantage. If player has positive expectation, proper progression ( even negative) may produce positive result. On other hand, with negative expectation, progressions are to kill bankroll more qweak then expected.
 
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2016, 01:16:33 PM »
What I love about our world today is that information, help, and ideas, as well as the means to
test them, are all just a keystroke away.

I believe this to be the single most important piece of advice I have found -

From Mr J's "Pay Close Attention" -

Come up with at least 20 different versions of your best method. Test each version to death, one at as time.
By testing the different flavours of the same method you get to understand why it sometimes works, why it
sometimes fails, how the different aspects interact and hopefully you end up with results as good as Ken's, or perhaps even better ?

Ian

If you have a " best method" why the HELL  do you need 20 different versions ?
If your " best method" is profitable why change it ?
And if it is not profitable  ...?
 

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2016, 02:16:11 PM »
There always seems to be a nagging, "what if I were to try this...?" aspect to systems.  Even with your 9 Block you have pointed out that there are multiple ways of using it.

Here is an example that happened in real time just moments ago!

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=177.msg17103#msg17103
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Re: The best piece of advice I have found - thanks Ken
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2016, 02:27:03 PM »
Unfortunately my "best method" is still a little shy of the HG, it has upswings and downswings,
I try to manage the downswings and ride the upswings, by tweaking it I get to know it better,
get to feel the nuances of it's moods and perhaps move it an inch or two closer to making it a great system.
Thanks to all you guys for the input, ideas and well deserved criticism.

Ian.
 
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2016, 02:36:09 PM »
There always seems to be a nagging, "what if I were to try this...?" aspect to systems.  Even with your 9 Block you have pointed out that there are multiple ways of using it.

True, Reyth, but we are talking here about a " best method" not how many different methods we can produce.
I have , personally, a  " best method" for the Nine Block and a " best method" for he 5 in 7 and have no intention of changing them because I have already been through the nagging "what if" stages. Any nagging doubts have been erased. I think we need to have confidence in our method and cannot afford nagging doubts.If you have nagging doubts then  your method has not been properly tested and the best place for that is at a teal table betting with  real money ! That, to me, is the ultimate arbiter.
 
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Re: The best piece of advice I have found - thanks Ken
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2016, 01:29:38 PM »
What I love about our world today is that information, help, and ideas, as well as the means to
test them, are all just a keystroke away.

I believe this to be the single most important piece of advice I have found -

From Mr J's "Pay Close Attention" -

Come up with at least 20 different versions of your best method. Test each version to death, one at as time.
By testing the different flavours of the same method you get to understand why it sometimes works, why it
sometimes fails, how the different aspects interact and hopefully you end up with results as good as Ken's, or perhaps even better ?

Ian

Thanks and I stand by this advice 100%. This is HOW it should work. I do a decent post/thread, get a couple "thanks Ken" and we all go about our day. Nice and simple, the way it WAS prior to 1.5 years ago.

The goofs took over and I sit here and laugh. (skip that last part, lol) Have a great day ianpbh. You are as normal and as decent a poster out there!! Best of luck to you.

Ken
 
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Re: The best piece of advice I have found - thanks Ken
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2016, 02:17:19 PM »

I believe this to be the single most important piece of advice I have found -

 and hopefully you end up with results as good as Ken's, or perhaps even better?

Ian

You hit it on the head. It is very possible to improve on a a method I have posted, spoken like a true gentleman. Too many people test something for 500 spins and off to the casino (oops, I meant laptop) they go. Bragging about their latest HG they have found (lol). Dedication and trial & error is the *ONLY* way to go. Learn who your REAL friends are on the boards, dont be fooled.

Ken
 
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2016, 12:03:21 PM »
Ken’s right.

Test any promising idea to death, and do everything you can to improve it.

But don’t hesitate to drop it like a stone when you realise it’s not the one for you.

Even if you spend 1000 hours on a single idea that doesn’t work out, it’s cool because you have absorbed 1000 hours of knowledge that can help prompt your next effort, and your next, and your next.

Eventually your ideas and efforts will become more refined and/or more complex, and more stable for confident practical application.

Hey, you can drop them too, if you think of something better, which you might because of your advanced knowledge base.
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2016, 12:48:09 PM »
Ken’s right.

Test any promising idea to death, and do everything you can to improve it.

But don’t hesitate to drop it like a stone when you realise it’s not the one for you.

Even if you spend 1000 hours on a single idea that doesn’t work out, it’s cool because you have absorbed 1000 hours of knowledge that can help prompt your next effort, and your next, and your next.

Eventually your ideas and efforts will become more refined and/or more complex, and more stable for confident practical application.

Hey, you can drop them too, if you think of something better, which you might because of your advanced knowledge base.
Very good point !
  We as recerchers, have to be prepared to throw everything we know out , in order to see something new...
   However, some things can be used independently and at the same time in conjuction with each other.
   For example, real situation we can face in the game..
   Dealer throw qweak rotor and there is dominance in long ball jumps- we switch to " repeaters game" ; then short spins follow- we swich to ds.... if spins are with backspin added- we start use vb to profit maximally on direct hits. ..ets.
   Every method has its own area of application and times when it's effective.
 Only method wich can be suxessfully upplied to any situation is to " pay atention"....
 
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2016, 01:06:42 PM »
So true!  Its like what I am doing right now is like a product of everything that I have already done!!  Its like this big mish-mosh of everything that I have learned, all mixed together! :D
 
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2016, 01:46:43 PM »
"If you see a limitation, never abide by it".
 
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