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Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« on: September 23, 2016, 02:54:43 PM »
Nope, too many numbers bet.
Ken
Could you please explain exactly why do you think betting less numbers is better than betting more numbers?

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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2016, 04:11:17 PM »
Kav, as I showed in my article on the house edge, betting many numbers is generally a bad idea because you're exposing more to the house edge (see the final spreadsheet extract at the end of the article: http://www.roulettician.com/articles/article1.html )

True, the long term expectation is the same, but your bankroll should last longer betting fewer numbers.

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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2016, 07:07:26 PM »
I have noticed there is a median that divides "less" numbers from "more" numbers in relation to progression/bankroll.  This relates to the "new" concept I have "discovered" called progression-coverage ratio.

Abandoning the wheel sectors and the felted structures entirely, I have found that 8 numbers (I have a new system called Magic 8-BallTM)gives the best "value" for progression length to bankroll but that 9 numbers starts the regression in progression length to bankroll.

I now believe that the concept of wheel sectors and the "pre-made" felted structures (streets, dozens, splits etc) are there to deceive us by further minimizing our ability to win.

This reminds me of a question that is off topic but hopefully someone knows this.  Blaise Pascal invented the roulette wheel, did he also invent the felt structure we have today?  Did he design the modern felt structures for a casino?
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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2016, 07:51:04 PM »
Blaise Pascal invented the roulette wheel, did he also invent the felt structure we have today?  Did he design the modern felt structures for a casino?
No, he didn't.

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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2016, 01:06:00 AM »
Blaise Pascal invented the roulette wheel, did he also invent the felt structure we have today?  Did he design the modern felt structures for a casino?
No, he didn't.

LOL.  Sorry, I have thoroughly confused myself:

1) Blaise Pascal invented the roulette wheel [TRUE] [FALSE]

2) Blaise Pascal invented the modern felt structure we have today [TRUE] [FALSE]

3) Blaise Pascal invented the modern felt structure for a casino [TRUE] [FALSE]

Funny thing, I remember when I first played roulette, thinking to myself, "Why should I trust these pre-made bets?  Its probably a setup..."
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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2016, 07:40:18 AM »
You can find the answer in my blog about the DTOP. The 37 number bet is the worst bet and the 1 number bet is the best.

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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 10:04:26 AM »
1) Blaise Pascal invented the roulette wheel [TRUE]

2) Blaise Pascal invented the modern felt structure we have today [FALSE]

3) Blaise Pascal invented the modern felt structure for a casino [FALSE]

Funny thing, I remember when I first played roulette, thinking to myself, "Why should I trust these pre-made bets?  Its probably a setup..."

You make a very good point in your last sentence!

Btw, Pascal didn't plan to invent a gambling game, he supposedly wanted to invent a self-moving wheel. But, to tell you the truth the invention of the roulette wheel is not very well documented, so there is a lot of guesswork and speculation involved.
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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 11:47:10 AM »
1) Blaise Pascal invented the roulette wheel [TRUE]

2) Blaise Pascal invented the modern felt structure we have today [FALSE]

3) Blaise Pascal invented the modern felt structure for a casino [FALSE]

Funny thing, I remember when I first played roulette, thinking to myself, "Why should I trust these pre-made bets?  Its probably a setup..."

You make a very good point in your last sentence!

Btw, Pascal didn't plan to invent a gambling game, he supposedly wanted to invent a self-moving wheel. But, to tell you the truth the invention of the roulette wheel is not very well documented, so there is a lot of guesswork and speculation involved.

roulette is coming from Hell, how many times i was saying that...

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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 12:41:29 PM »
Here is my own take on the issue of few vs many roulette numbers bet

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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2016, 01:04:15 PM »
If no edge is achieved,  less numbers bet- better.
With the edge it's not that straight forward. How many numbers to bet in this case will be dictated by wheel itself. Numbers ( or distances, depending on the method) will form pick on the graph. It's always better to cover entire pick to reduce fluctuations in hit frequency.
I had cases where most beneficial was cover only 2- 3 numbers, other cases l had with nessesary coverage of as much as 27 numbers. Covering more numbers in first case or less number's in second , would result in loss.

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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 07:15:33 PM »
Its really so complicated and if we play less numbers that exposes us to a different set of challenges than if we play many numbers; i.e. less numbers has a lower cost but a lower hit rate where more numbers has an increased cost but a higher hit rate....

Cost vs. hit rate...  I guess the key to knowing what is best is to calculate the ratio.

If I look at this from a perspective of the "worst sequence" both options appear the same with our specifically desired numbers going missing for very long extended/successive periods that will normally beat any progression and especially with table limits in place.

I believe, using misdirection which consists of multiple/varied/simultaneous attacks, there is a way to beat the worst sequences because of the principle:

The wheel cannot be balanced and/or imbalanced everywhere at the same time.

I know that with larger numbers bet, the greater than 50% chance of not missing is very helpful during recovery.

How should smaller numbers compensate?  Or more properly, can smaller numbers compensate (for the lack of hit rate) with their lower cost?  Its a tall order to fill, to try and buy a better hit rate...

Hit rate vs. progression length...

Its these sorts of calculations that require the skills of a mathematician...
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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 09:04:12 PM »
Reyth, like I wrote in the article, for me few numbers always worked when hot and with an up as you win progression.

You wait patiently and keep losing relatively small amounts and when they start to hit in clusters you increase your bet. This combined with the high payout is enough to reach a profit or recoup your losses. This is how I play few numbers. And my undervalued 5 numbers paroli system is IMO a very good example of such kind of systems.

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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 09:13:57 PM »
Reyth, like I wrote in the article, for me few numbers always worked when hot and with an up as you win progression.

You wait patiently and keep losing relatively small amounts and when they start to hit in clusters you increase your bet. This combined with the high payout is enough to reach a profit or recoup your losses. This is how I play few numbers. And my undervalued 5 numbers paroli system is IMO a very good example of such kind of systems.

Very interesting idea to use the up as you win for the smaller numbers, weathering the storm until the numbers "come in".

What I liked most about your article was the suggestion that a trigger could be used in the process.  I have used a trigger of a single win with the idea being that we will save more money on losses than we will lose on that single win with our chips at their lowest.

I wonder if by tracking all numbers and choosing the five coldest within a full aggregate, within past spins would better inform our selection...?

One thing that is certain about your awesome, Members Only Five Number Paroli System is that when it hits, it hits BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG!!!
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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2016, 12:19:19 AM »
Why choose coldest? These by definition are doomed. Choose instead hottest ones, especially if they are located near one another on the wheel. Then you could set up a trigger ( like them hitting often) and bet only when trigger fire. If you keep an eye on general conditions of the game ..  how they throw..  if ball is jumping..  ets , it may help you to catch " real bias" numbers in they prime.
If such happens , you gonna like it.

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Re: Betting many or few numbers: which is better?
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 12:24:35 AM »
Well maybe we can mix the selection, either choosing 3 cold & 2 hot or 2 cold & 3 hot depending on your preference?

It could also be depending on whether the wheel is favoring repeaters or unique numbers...