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#### palestis

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##### Palaistis' Repeaters system
« on: August 13, 2016, 12:42:06 AM »

Betting on the last five numbers to have hit is NOT an AP play.  I'm not sure as to why you keep bringing that up.  My point to it was that it is the one way by which a player could theoretically ever so slightly reduce the house edge if the player was on a live wheel and had no information about the wheel.   The reverse is also true.  Meaning a way the player could theoretically lose at a rate that could exceed the house edge is to bet on the numbers that are the coldest or that haven't hit in a long time.  Again, this would only pertain to a live wheel.
Regarding the system of betting the last 5 numbers, I use a similar system (not my best system), with great success. It all depends how you execute it.
We take the last 5 UNIQUE numbers (no repetitions among themselves), and bet on those numbers.
Needless to say that since we bet the last 5 numbers, we add every new unique number on the list while we drop the oldest from it.
That way we always bet the last 5. If one repeats the system wins. Then wait for 5 new unique numbers and start the process all over again.
I made an example of this system.  I separate the 5 unique numbers with horizontal blue lines.
A blue dash indicates a losing bet and a checkmark a winning one.
Looking at the picture you will notice that a winning number spins in unpredictable intervals.
Ranging from an immediate repetition to 10 losses before a win.
Looking more carefully you will notice that the most frequent winning range is between
the 3rd and 8th bet.
And that agrees with a long time research that I have done.
And I have seen no repetition for 15 spins (though very rare).
Given that the most frequent winning range is between bet 3 and 8 I bet only that range.
Giving up winning opportunities if a win occurs in the first 3 bets, and at the same time being protected from the cost and heartache of a long progression that doesn't seem to score a hit.
Observing many roulettes, it doesn't take long to find a roulette that has already lost virtually 3 times or more, then all you have to do is bet within the range that had been found to produce the most frequent wins.
It is also worth noticing that a long losing interval before it produces a win, is not followed by  an equally long or longer interval in the immediate next trigger. Rather the next win comes relatively fast. (Rare events do not occur consecutively).
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##### Re: Palaistis' Repeaters system
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2016, 05:13:58 AM »
So this means you start out betting 8 numbers and extend that out to 13 numbers and then stop?

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##### Re: Palaistis' Repeaters system
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2016, 05:54:33 AM »

No, it stays last 5 nums bet.
"...we add every new unique number on the list while we drop the oldest from it..."

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##### Re: Palaistis' Repeaters system
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2016, 02:49:32 PM »
So this means you start out betting 8 numbers and extend that out to 13 numbers and then stop?
No the numbers you bet are always the last unique 5. But instead of betting them right away, you wait to lose virtually 3 or more bets. According to the law of 2/3rds some numbers will repeat.
You just hope that the repetitions will be among the last 5 numbers and not from numbers before the last 5. That way you keep the bets low (5 chips per bet), which allows you to use a longer progression.
Eventually a repetition will come from one of the last 5 numbers.

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 04:00:52 PM »
So this means you start out betting 8 numbers and extend that out to 13 numbers and then stop?
No the numbers you bet are always the last unique 5. But instead of betting them right away, you wait to lose virtually 3 or more bets. According to the law of 2/3rds some numbers will repeat.
You just hope that the repetitions will be among the last 5 numbers and not from numbers before the last 5. That way you keep the bets low (5 chips per bet), which allows you to use a longer progression.
Eventually a repetition will come from one of the last 5 numbers.
"Eventually " it will Paley
But choosing any 5 Unique numbers from the last 24 would have the same probability wouldn't it?
I think betting HOT numbers would be just as good- if not better because they are Hot
Bet EVERY number that has won , say, 3 times while you have been watching. Use your preferred money management . And that's it  !

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2016, 04:50:56 PM »
So this means you start out betting 8 numbers and extend that out to 13 numbers and then stop?
No the numbers you bet are always the last unique 5. But instead of betting them right away, you wait to lose virtually 3 or more bets. According to the law of 2/3rds some numbers will repeat.
You just hope that the repetitions will be among the last 5 numbers and not from numbers before the last 5. That way you keep the bets low (5 chips per bet), which allows you to use a longer progression.
Eventually a repetition will come from one of the last 5 numbers.
"Eventually " it will Paley
But choosing any 5 Unique numbers from the last 24 would have the same probability wouldn't it?
I think betting HOT numbers would be just as good- if not better because they are Hot
Bet EVERY number that has won , say, 3 times while you have been watching. Use your preferred money management . And that's it  !
I didn't mean choosing any 5 unique numbers from the last 24. I meant picking the very last 5 unique numbers as you look at the score board. I know that hot numbers offer a temptation to bet on them.
Problem is that by the time you notice them it might be too late. Just as it applies in hot dozens, hot columns DS's etc. We usually notice something when it is at its peak. There is no guarantee that they will continue to be hot. The trick is to catch them as they start to become hot. In the case of the last 5 unique numbers, you don't count on one or two of them becoming hot.
But you certainly expect one of them to repeat in the next 10 spins. However instead of betting them for 10 or more spins, you bet them in the range of spins that produces the most positive results. And that's spin 4 thru 8.  That means you might have to let the first 3 spins lose virtually, and stop betting after the 8th spin.
Would any 5 unique numbers produce the same results? Maybe, but I have not researched this case.
Betting on the last 5 numbers is convenient as it avoids possible mistakes.
Just as it is easier to work with BBBBB or RRRRR triggers instead of BRBBR.
But the point I was trying to make, is not the advantage of the last 5 numbers. It's how you bet them that makes the difference.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2016, 05:08:56 PM »
I know you didn't mean 5 from the last 24 numbers Palestis. I was saying that ANY 5 numbers from the last 24  would be just as good. Or even ANY 5 numbers.
Obviously you would expect one of them to hit within 10 spins because you are betting 5 numbers so would expect to hit within 7/ 8 spins.
My objection to the Last 5 Numbers bet wasn't so much the bet itself as it was put forward by Real who rubbishes Methods yet gives us one. How stupid is that ? He also tells us that  5/37 is 5/37 so must produce a loss and yet advocates its use !How stupid is that ?
I agree that it is partly how you bet them that produces profit .

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2016, 08:52:14 PM »
I know you didn't mean 5 from the last 24 numbers Palestis. I was saying that ANY 5 numbers from the last 24  would be just as good. Or even ANY 5 numbers.
Obviously you would expect one of them to hit within 10 spins because you are betting 5 numbers so would expect to hit within 7/ 8 spins.
My objection to the Last 5 Numbers bet wasn't so much the bet itself as it was put forward by Real who rubbishes Methods yet gives us one. How stupid is that ? He also tells us that  5/37 is 5/37 so must produce a loss and yet advocates its use !How stupid is that ?
I agree that it is partly how you bet them that produces profit .
The only problem that I can see with any 5 unique numbers from a list of 24, is that those 5 numbers already have shown a sleeping tendency. Which might continue. 5 numbers can sleep for 100 spins.
Choosing any 5 numbers or the last 5 I find it highly unlikely that all 5 of them will simultaneously go to sleep.
I guess I'm waiting for Real to explain how he would play the last 5 numbers. I explained how I would play them.

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2016, 11:24:19 PM »

I know you didn't mean 5 from the last 24 numbers Palestis. I was saying that ANY 5 numbers from the last 24  would be just as good. Or even ANY 5 numbers.
Obviously you would expect one of them to hit within 10 spins because you are betting 5 numbers so would expect to hit within 7/ 8 spins.
My objection to the Last 5 Numbers bet wasn't so much the bet itself as it was put forward by Real who rubbishes Methods yet gives us one. How stupid is that ? He also tells us that  5/37 is 5/37 so must produce a loss and yet advocates its use !How stupid is that ?
I agree that it is partly how you bet them that produces profit .
The only problem that I can see with any 5 unique numbers from a list of 24, is that those 5 numbers already have shown a sleeping tendency. Which might continue. 5 numbers can sleep for 100 spins.
Choosing any 5 numbers or the last 5 I find it highly unlikely that all 5 of them will simultaneously go to sleep.
I guess I'm waiting for Real to explain how he would play the last 5 numbers. I explained how I would play them.
Real wouldn't play them. He plays only AP  If this was profitable do you think Real would have suggested it ? And PROVED that a Method could win ?.
As ever it is a case of WHICH 5 numbers. I think betting the HOT numbers would be better .Precisely because they are HOT .
Your basic idea seems to be betting within a "range" .That can be applied to many ideas-.  Whether it is profitable can only be tested by actual bets as there are gazillions of possibilities in any lengthy trial or trials.

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##### Re: Palaistis' Repeaters system
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2016, 02:38:23 AM »

I know you didn't mean 5 from the last 24 numbers Palestis. I was saying that ANY 5 numbers from the last 24  would be just as good. Or even ANY 5 numbers.
Obviously you would expect one of them to hit within 10 spins because you are betting 5 numbers so would expect to hit within 7/ 8 spins.
My objection to the Last 5 Numbers bet wasn't so much the bet itself as it was put forward by Real who rubbishes Methods yet gives us one. How stupid is that ? He also tells us that  5/37 is 5/37 so must produce a loss and yet advocates its use !How stupid is that ?
I agree that it is partly how you bet them that produces profit .
The only problem that I can see with any 5 unique numbers from a list of 24, is that those 5 numbers already have shown a sleeping tendency. Which might continue. 5 numbers can sleep for 100 spins.
Choosing any 5 numbers or the last 5 I find it highly unlikely that all 5 of them will simultaneously go to sleep.
I guess I'm waiting for Real to explain how he would play the last 5 numbers. I explained how I would play them.
Real wouldn't play them. He plays only AP  If this was profitable do you think Real would have suggested it ? And PROVED that a Method could win ?.
As ever it is a case of WHICH 5 numbers. I think betting the HOT numbers would be better .Precisely because they are HOT .
Your basic idea seems to be betting within a "range" .That can be applied to many ideas-.  Whether it is profitable can only be tested by actual bets as there are gazillions of possibilities in any lengthy trial or trials.
HOT NUMBERS. At first glance it sounds like the ideal way to win consistently. I have built some systems in the past based on hot numbers.
Yet more frequently than not, when I decided to bet on them, they seemed to take their place in the freezer. And never to be seen again. Hot numbers is the trickiest part of roulette. It's either that we notice them when it's too late, or observe some numbers starting to get hot, and then they disappear. The casinos voluntarily  list all hot numbers on the board and on the statistical diagrams of their air ball machines. If all players followed that trend, then the casinos would lose.
Hot numbers is simply a fact that happened in the past. And in no way they predict their future performance.
I find much more effective to keep an eye on frozen numbers and hit them as they start to warm up. That too requires a lot of experience, and knowing when to chase them. Hot and cold numbers is one of the  the hardest strategies to base a system on.

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##### Re: Palaistis' Repeaters system
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2016, 07:33:17 PM »
Palestis
I thought you believed in the Law of the Thirds ?

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2016, 10:32:13 PM »
Palestis
I thought you believed in the Law of the Thirds ?
I do. But that doesn't mean that fewer numbers will show up more times than others so that they will become hot.
It could be that more numbers show up just twice. They justify the law of the thirds but you can't really label them hot numbers.
I think methods based on hot or cold numbers, is the hardest task in system building.

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2016, 10:42:15 PM »
Palestis
I thought you believed in the Law of the Thirds ?
I do. But that doesn't mean that fewer numbers will show up more times than others so that they will become hot.
It could be that more numbers show up just twice. They justify the law of the thirds but you can't really label them hot numbers.
I think methods based on hot or cold numbers, is the hardest task in system building.
I don't bet on either Hot or cold numbers, I think , though, that it is better to bet on Hot numbers because they  DO occur whereas Cold numbers don't.
After 24 spins how many COLD numbers can now come up if you believe in the Law of the Thirds ?

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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2016, 12:33:46 AM »
Palestis
I thought you believed in the Law of the Thirds ?
I do. But that doesn't mean that fewer numbers will show up more times than others so that they will become hot.
It could be that more numbers show up just twice. They justify the law of the thirds but you can't really label them hot numbers.
I think methods based on hot or cold numbers, is the hardest task in system building.
I don't bet on either Hot or cold numbers, I think , though, that it is better to bet on Hot numbers because they  DO occur whereas Cold numbers don't.
After 24 spins how many COLD numbers can now come up if you believe in the Law of the Thirds ?
I played a system in the distant past where I would bet every number that came up 3 times in one cycle (37 spins). Initially it worked wonderful to the point I thought I had discovered the holly grail.
As time went by I found out the hard way that it doesn't work like that all the time. And I had no way of telling if what was hot would've continued to be hot. So I gave up, because I couldn't pinpoint a consistency that I could take advantage of. I was simply left in the mercy of luck. I had better results with very cold numbers. Because eventually those cold numbers will catch up at some point. The problem was, the waiting time was extremely long
As long as they started appearing more than twice in a 37 spin span you win.
As far as how many cold numbers can come up after 24 spins, I think that's a vague question. First  you need to know what those 24 numbers are. Are they all unique? do they have many repetitions among themselves? and last but not least I would assume that you have to determine how many spins after the 24. Next 12? Next 20? next 40? I really can't answer your question, and I can't think of a reason y this is so important.
But above all we should define what is a hot number?
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2016, 04:31:11 AM »
Palestis
I thought you believed in the Law of the Thirds ?
I do. But that doesn't mean that fewer numbers will show up more times than others so that they will become hot.
It could be that more numbers show up just twice. They justify the law of the thirds but you can't really label them hot numbers.
I think methods based on hot or cold numbers, is the hardest task in system building.
I don't bet on either Hot or cold numbers, I think , though, that it is better to bet on Hot numbers because they  DO occur whereas Cold numbers don't.
After 24 spins how many COLD numbers can now come up if you believe in the Law of the Thirds ?
I played a system in the distant past where I would bet every number that came up 3 times in one cycle (37 spins). Initially it worked wonderful to the point I thought I had discovered the holly grail.
As time went by I found out the hard way that it doesn't work like that all the time. And I had no way of telling if what was hot would've continued to be hot. So I gave up, because I couldn't pinpoint a consistency that I could take advantage of. I was simply left in the mercy of luck. I had better results with very cold numbers. Because eventually those cold numbers will catch up at some point. The problem was, the waiting time was extremely long
As long as they started appearing more than twice in a 37 spin span you win.
As far as how many cold numbers can come up after 24 spins, I think that's a vague question. First  you need to know what those 24 numbers are. Are they all unique? do they have many repetitions among themselves? and last but not least I would assume that you have to determine how many spins after the 24. Next 12? Next 20? next 40? I really can't answer your question, and I can't think of a reason y this is so important.
But above all we should define what is a hot number?
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My definition of a hot number is one that wins more than it  should . And  betting ANY number after it has won 3 times WHILE I AM AT THE TABLE. Even if for 100 spins and Flat Bets only .

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