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Golden Peak
« on: August 12, 2016, 07:11:59 PM »

This is a flat betting method which attempts to profit from repeaters and sleepers.

Start by betting the last spun number and add each new number.
Continue this way till new bankroll high or till you have bet 18 unique numbers.

Whenever you reach a new high before you bet 18 uniques, restart by betting the last spun number.
When you have bet 18 uniques without new high, this means there were 19 unique numbers including your last loss, continue by betting the remaining 18 sleepers.

Whenever a "sleeper" awakes remove it from the bet selection, thus gradually you would bet 18, then 17, then 16, 15, 14, and finally 13 numbers, aiming to win 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 23 units respectively.
As a safeguard we will bet those "sleepers" till one of the following conditions happens first:

1) You have reached a new bankroll high
2) You won 6 times
3) After 13 spins none of the above conditions have been met

Restart from scratch and repeat the procedure.

Any feedback by testers and players would be much appreciated.


 
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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2016, 07:26:30 PM »
Initial tests show it working very smoothly.  What sort of bankroll requirements do you currently estimate would be required?
 

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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2016, 10:20:25 PM »
When you have bet 18 uniques without new high, this means there were 19 unique numbers including your last loss, continue by betting the remaining 18 sleepers.

Hi BA,
It is possible to be at loss even if you hit a repeater at the 10th spin.
At the 9th spin you have already lost 45 units, so a win will not put you on a new high.
 

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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2016, 11:17:19 PM »
Hey aren't all 3 of us supposed to be the same person?
 
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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 07:02:42 PM »
When you have bet 18 uniques without new high, this means there were 19 unique numbers including your last loss, continue by betting the remaining 18 sleepers.

Hi BA,
It is possible to be at loss even if you hit a repeater at the 10th spin.
At the 9th spin you have already lost 45 units, so a win will not put you on a new high.

Since always flat bet, when you lost first 8 bets (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36), you need more than 1 win.
I've seen an occasion which after reaching 18 uniques bet, made a winning streak and reached a new high.

The point is that you never know where your wins are going to happen.
I'll post an example in order everything becomes clear.
 
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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2016, 07:11:55 PM »
Initial tests show it working very smoothly.  What sort of bankroll requirements do you currently estimate would be required?

Approximately 400 units, you should notice that most of the cycles don't reach the "sleepers" betting, there are few negative cycles, recovery doesn't have to be in the same cycle, not even in the same session/day.

Aim to profit in long term by something which happens most of the time, from my testings so far this takes maximum 5 days/sessions to reach new bankroll high.
 
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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2016, 07:29:24 PM »
December,

You are "next year" and "from100" at the other 2 forums, right ?

Since you are living at Croatia, do you know user "flatin0" ?

He is Croatian too, do you have any brick and mortar casinos over there ?
 

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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2016, 09:35:23 PM »

Here is an example:
34}  wait for last number
8 }  bet number: 34, result -1
33} bet numbers: 34,8, result -3
16} bet numbers: 34,8,33, result -6
0 } bet numbers: 34,8,33,16, result -10
9 } bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0, result -15
15} bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0,9, result -21
36} bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0,9,15 result -28
8 } bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0,9,15,36 result 0
6 } bet number: 8, result -1
24} bet numbers: 8,6, result -3
5 } bet numbers: 8,6,24, result -6
28} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5, result -10
33} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28, result -15
7 }  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33, result -21
3 }  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7, result -28
4 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3, result -36
26} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4, result -45
34} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26, result -55
2 }  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34, result -66
36} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2, result -78
4 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36, result -55
0 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36, result -68
24}  bet numbers :8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0, result -46
10}  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0, result -60
8 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10, result -39
13} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10, result -54
14} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13, result -70
6 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -51
13} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -32
6 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -13
20} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -30
26} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14,20, result -12
9 } bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14,20, result -30
16} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -12 (1 win/1 bet)
3 } bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -29 (1 win/2 bets)
6 } bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -46 (1 win/3 bets)
26} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -63 (1 win/4 bets)
20} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -80 (1 win/5 bets)
12} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -61 (2 wins/6 bets)
15} bet numbers:1,11,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -41 (3 wins/7 bets)
5 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -56 (3 wins/8 bets)
2 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -71 (3 wins/9 bets)
3 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -86 (3 wins/10 bets)
14} bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -101 (3 wins/11 bets)
2 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -116 (3 wins/12 bets)
18} bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -95 (4 wins/13 bets)
thirteen bets on sleepers, not 6 wins, nor new BR high, restart
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18}  bet number:18, result -60
2 }  bet number:18, result -61
11} bet numbers:18,2, result -63
36} bet numbers:18,2,11, result -66
14} bet numbers:18,2,11,36, result -70
25} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14, result -75
9 }  bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25, result -81
24} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9, result -88
5 }  bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24, result -96
4 }  bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5, result -105
11} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4, result -79
23} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4, result -89
12} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23, result -100
30} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12, result -112
12} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30, result -89
8 } bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30, result -102
34} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8, result -116
13} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34, result -131
22} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13, result -147
7 } bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22, result -164
5 } bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -146
13} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -128
12} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -110
10} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -128
12} bet numbers:0,1,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,35, result -146 (0 wins/1 bet)
1 } bet numbers:0,1,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,35, result -128 (1 win/2 bets)
32} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,35, result -109 (2 wins/3 bets)
18} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -125 (2 wins/4 bets)
5 } bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -141 (2 wins/5 bets)
10} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -157 (2 wins/6 bets)
24} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -173 (2 wins/7 bets)
11} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -189 (2 wins/8 bets)
18} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -205 (2 wins/9 bets)
17} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -185 (3 wins/10 bets)
11} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -200 (3 wins/11 bets)
24} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -215 (3 wins/12 bets)
24} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -230 (3 wins/13 bets)
thirteen bets on sleepers, not 6 wins, nor new BR high, restart
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24} bet number:24, result -195
23} bet number:24, result -196
24} bet numbers:24,23, result -162
32} bet number:24, result -163
5 } bet numbers:24,32, result -165
6 } bet numbers:24,32,5 result -168
31} bet numbers:24,32,5,6 result -172
3 } bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31 result -177
27} bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31,3 result -183
20} bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31,3,27 result -190
5 } bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31,3,27,20 result -162
33} bet number:5, result -163
6 } bet numbers:5,33, result -165
18} bet numbers:5,33,6, result -168
25} bet numbers:5,33,6,18 result -172
4 } bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25 result -177
12} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4 result -183
2 } bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12 result -190
21} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12,2 result -198
18} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12,2,21 result -171
18} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12,2,21 result -144
33} bet number: 18, result -145
7 } bet numbers: 18,33, result -147
6 } bet numbers: 18,33,7, result -150
12} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6, result -154
16} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12, result -159
8 } bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16, result -165
28} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8, result -172
34} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28, result -180
30} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34, result -189
9 } bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30, result -199
18} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9, result -174
11} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9, result -185
11} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9,11, result -161
16} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9,11, result -137
20} bet number: 16, result -138
16} bet numbers: 16,20, result -104
20} bet number: 16, result -105
20} bet numbers: 16,20, result -71
17} bet number: 20, result -72
12} bet numbers: 20,17, result -74
16} bet numbers: 20,17,12, result -77
15} bet numbers: 20,17,12,16, result -81
12} bet numbers: 20,17,12,16,15, result -50
10} bet number: 12, result -51
34} bet numbers: 12,10 result -53
12} bet numbers: 12,10,34 result -20
8 } bet number: 12, result -21
15} bet numbers: 12,8, result -23
22} bet numbers: 12,8,15, result -26
15} bet numbers: 12,8,15,22 result +6
19} bet number: 15, result +5
21} bet numbers: 15,19, result +3
31} bet numbers: 15,19,21, result 0
22} bet numbers: 15,19,21,31, result -4
15} bet numbers: 15,19,21,31,22, result +27
36} bet number: 15, result +26
36} bet numbers: 15,36, result +60
19} bet number: 36, result +59
0 } bet numbers: 36,19, result +57
23} bet numbers: 36,19,0, result +54
17} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23, result +50
8 } bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17, result +45
13} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8, result +39
28} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13, result +32
11} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28, result +24
26} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28,11, result +15
19} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28,11,26, result +41
8 } bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28,11,26, result +67
16} bet number: 8, result +66
7 } bet numbers: 8,16, result +64
30} bet numbers: 8,16,7, result +61
11} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30, result +57
12} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11, result +52
26} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12, result +46
25} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26, result +39
18} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25, result +31
16} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18, result +58
15} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18, result +49
25} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18,15, result +75
13} bet number: 25, result +74
17} bet numbers: 25,13, result +72
14} bet numbers: 25,13,17, result +69
18} bet numbers: 25,13,17,14, result +65
17} bet numbers: 25,13,17,14,18, result +96
30} bet number: 17, result +95
25} bet numbers: 17,30, result +93
7 } bet numbers: 17,30,25, result +90
12} bet numbers: 17,30,25,7, result +86
12} bet numbers: 17,30,25,7,12, result +117

Results are from Dublinbet casino which I've attached here, you can check them if you wish in order to verify the results of my example.

 
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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2016, 11:30:40 PM »
Angelo
Why not just bet your 9 groups of 4 ? The last one to repeat .
You know the ones you mentioned
1-4-7-10
2-5-8-11
3-6-9-12
etc..
As you know these can be bet as 2 splits.
 

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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2016, 11:40:52 PM »

In a way everything is an exchange and compromisation...
In an effort to improve a certain asset, you would worsen another one.

When I begin to create a method like this one, I don't check particular sequences of results, but evaluating principles.

There principles which work most of the time, while others work in certain occasions.

For example, if you are playing against a certain event to happen, this would work in certain occasions, but if your principle is being built around a fact which happens always, or most of the times, then this is the first step towards success.

The next should be, not to make my losses count more than my wins, simple as that.

It's a fact the "law of thirds", how one could take advantage of it is the real question.

Betting straight up numbers has slower drawdown and accelerated gain in comparison with all the rest bet sections, this is also a fact.

There are not better numbers, but better times to bet certain numbers.
Whether you believe in "cluster theory", "law of thirds" or not, they don't need your appreciation to exist!

Everything in the cosmos is a cycle of dualism, going forward, then backward, events happen, events disappear, people come and go.

So even when persons disappear, others replacing them to represent what the previous did and this goes on and on, actually it never stops.
Numbers are like people, "law of thirds" is not non facet, but multi facet fact, it has the ability to end on the same destination by many different paths.

You cannot go straight from Alpha to Omega, you have to make slow moves, step by step to follow what's going on and if it gets away for a while don't worry because it always coming back!

Don't expect the results to match your bets, but you have to follow the results, it's an ever changing stream of events, from which "law of thirds" flows.
 
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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2016, 12:25:04 AM »
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Betting straight up numbers has slower drawdown and accelerated gain in comparison with all the rest bet sections, this is also a fact.

No.
This is totally incorrect as a generalization.
First of all one should consider HOW MANY number one bets.
For example if you bet 3 straight up numbers is the same in terms of loss and profit as betting a street.
 

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2016, 01:06:58 AM »
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Betting straight up numbers has slower drawdown and accelerated gain in comparison with all the rest bet sections, this is also a fact.

No.
This is totally incorrect as a generalization.
First of all one should consider HOW MANY number one bets.
For example if you bet 3 straight up numbers is the same in terms of loss and profit as betting a street.

If you bet a street, its payout is 11 times your bet, while a straight up pays 35 times your bet.
You have a window of 11 spins to profit, on the other hand you have 35 spins.

That's why progressions are steeper on EC's and getting less and less steeper as the payout increases.

So by betting a split instead of 2 straight up numbers you would lose less but also you would win less, if your aim is to lose less, then you are better under this perspective.

In my point of view, it's not only about payouts, but mostly about the flexibility to bet any combination of numbers I want without the restrictions of the table's/wheel's borders.
 
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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2016, 01:20:10 AM »
"So by betting a split instead of 2 straight up numbers you would lose less but also you would win less" >> I'm not going to read every post and yes, I jumped ahead a little (sorry). Could you elaborate on this statement before I slide the knife across my throat?

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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2016, 01:43:53 AM »
"So by betting a split instead of 2 straight up numbers you would lose less but also you would win less" >> I'm not going to read every post and yes, I jumped ahead a little (sorry). Could you elaborate on this statement before I slide the knife across my throat?

Ken

Let's say I bet numbers 17 and 26 while you bet split 26/27, on 11th spin 26 hits, you get paid 7 units net, while I get paid 14 units net.

Which is greater, 7 or 14 ?
I cannot make it any more simpler than that.

Let me put it another way, you bet again split 26/27, while I bet straight up 26 and 17, I make these two numbers independent, thus each with each own progression, a split cannot be counted as 2 separate numbers, but 2 straight up numbers can be counted as split and as two separate numbers each with each own progression.
The same goes for 3 straight up numbers, 4 straight up numbers, 6 ...etc
Could be counted as independent from each other or as a group, you don't have this kind of flexibility when you bet table groups.
Besides, all hot and all cold numbers never being contained in one single table section.
Flexibility is the key.
 

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Re: Golden Peak
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2016, 02:38:23 AM »
I got it, I got it. Sometimes I scan over pretty quick. I thought you were saying for example.... a 14/17 split nets more or less compared to betting them straight up. You have to realize the number of arguments I get into with this very subject.

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