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A great read
« on: July 30, 2016, 10:35:15 PM »
I saw a pic and read a great article a couple years ago, I wish I had bookmarked it.

This is for an ACTUAL CASINO with wheel (no air ball as far as I know?)

*EVERY* person here, myself included, AP included could get screwed big time. An idea floating around for a new type of wheel, I saw the sketching designs.

Nothing electric with this/no air bursts etc. >> Every X number of spins (10-25 if I recall?), the outer ring of the numbers would be rotated. It could be clockwise OR counter.

Meaning, pit boss or floor (no dealer involved) would move the POCKETS, the numbers stay in the same spot, its hard to describe. We'll take the 12 as example.
Pit moves the ring (pockets), ALL pockets get rotated and the 12 might now be where the 17 pocket was. (lol)

No lie guys. The ring gets lifted up maybe a half inch, then rotated. Pit can move it where ever he/she feels like it. It might move 18 positions, could move 3 positions?

The reason for this (I assume?)....real good AP guys or very hot numbers, guys with a GREAT method etc. So now, are the pockets HOT or the numbers?? Its a very fast adjustment, I doubt highly you could watch/remember where the pockets WERE. Coming to a casino near you? I f**kin hope not or I'm done.

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Re: A great read
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2016, 10:50:28 PM »
Perhaps Mr. J  this is/was a passing fad. Most punters seem to be traditionalists. They don't like many alterations, bells and whistles, or "new gizmos". If the casinos get a backlash from the players, they would seemingly dump it. After all, bettors are customers too.
 
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Re: A great read
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2016, 11:07:42 PM »
I hope you're right but I applaud the guy who came up with this. Very clever and smart, not to mention, the history board would be useless. Might as well not even have it on.

Ken
 
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2016, 01:55:28 AM »
 Things like that or simmilar already exist...  there are double number ring roulette for example.
 In the setup described by first post, there are still posibilities for player who know how to look...
 These wheels will be subject of more defects.  More movable parts- more maintenance.  These guys like kids,  really. The more complicated they do it, more easy it becomes. Casinos already can't keep up with all this new stuff invented. Their software gives them heart attacks with false positives,  regular maintenance just makes things worst, rrs device destroy bearings, laser readers make wheel not movable frequently,  what in turn provoke damage ball track...  dancing monkeys with bigman toys... explosive combination!!!
 Let them invent, it just makes things more interesting and AP more sofisticated.
 
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Re: A great read
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2016, 02:29:38 AM »
If this is true, its a pretty sad statement regarding the fairness of B&M roulette wheels.
 

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2016, 02:52:30 AM »
If this is true, its a pretty sad statement regarding the fairness of B&M roulette wheels.

Their argument would be, what difference would it make? The odds/payout are the same so its not like we're being cheated (their viewpoint).

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2016, 02:53:33 AM »
Makes you wonder why if the games are so damn unbeatable, as they love to boast, they'd go to such lengths to "improve" their games.

They have nearly an insurmountable advantage floor wide as it is, especially when you throw in all the slots and rigged virtual stuff, plus the vast majority of players who on balance have little, if any, concept of a cohesive system, strategy or method.... yet it's not enough.

Greed knows no limits I guess.
 
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2016, 02:56:55 AM »
Maybe its that intelligent people have proven that B&M wheels are simply not fair and that its just not possible to create a fair physical wheel.  This has been my instinct all along; i.e. to trust RNG wheels over physical wheels for providing true random results.
 
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Re: A great read
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2016, 07:57:17 AM »
These wheels might be bad news for VB players and roulette computer users, but maybe not for bias players? After all, more complexity means more moving parts, so there's potential for more things to get out of whack.

Real has said that the replacement of the deep pocket wheels of the 80's by the low profile wheels in an attempt to thwart the VB players resulted in increased opportunities for bias players, so I don't think these wheels (even if they're widely introduced) will necessarily spell the demise of the AP. The cat and mouse game will most likely continue whatever steps the casinos take.
 

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2016, 11:42:40 AM »
If this is true, its a pretty sad statement regarding the fairness of B&M roulette wheels.
" Rapid roulette" already made it to my local. They use rrs in B&M !!! And it's on a dealer operated wheel.  :(
 

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2016, 11:44:46 AM »
"rrs"?
 

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 04:51:06 PM »
"rrs"?
rrs stands for random rotor system. It is kind of servo motor wich can change rotor speed during trial ( while ball is spinning ). It was featured first in mercury360 rrs wheels...  then apiared on many others. Most online casinos where bets after ball spoon is allowed, do have one installed....
 It's not a big problem itself, while is not operated by human on the purpose. ..  even in this situation can be beaten if some specific conditions are present.