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#### BlueAngel

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##### Another trigger system
« on: July 19, 2016, 11:06:42 AM »

I took the idea by reversing completely the system (hexagon) of Thomas Leor, by the way, I've never understood what a hexagon has to do with betting a dozen and a column.

So here we go:

On the table I separate numbers in groups of 4, those  groups are:

1 4 7 10

2 5 8 11

3 6 9 12

13 16 19 22

14 17 20 23

15 18 21 24

25 28 31 34

26 29 32 35

27 30 33 36

Every time  there are 2 numbers of the same group, back to back, in a row, (that's the trigger) bet the other 2 dozens and the other 2 columns for a total bet of 4 units.

Example:

After number 1 comes number 7, in this case you should bet the 2nd, 3rd dozens plus the 2nd and 3rd columns with 1 unit each.
There are 5 numbers which make us lose 4 units, 16 numbers which make us lose 1 unit and 16 numbers which make us win 2 units net.

If you win that's good, wait for the next trigger opportunity, if you lost, no matter if it's 1 or 4 units, wait for the next trigger.
I'm going to explain a bit about the steps of the progression, since our expected payout is 2 units we should divide the running negative total by 2, for example we lose 4 units so the next bet must be 2 units on each of the dozens and columns and by winning it we are breaking even.

Initial bet 1 unit on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +2, lose -1  or -4

-1 } bet 1 unit on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -2  or -5

-2 } bet 1 unit on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -3 or -6

-3 } bet 2 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -5 or -11

-4 } bet 2 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -6 or -12

-5 } bet 3 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -8 or -17

-6 } bet 3 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -9 or -18

-7 } bet 4 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -11 or -23

-8 } bet 4 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -12 or -24

-9 } bet 5 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -14 or -29

-10 } bet 5 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -15 or -30

-11 } bet 6 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -17 or -35

-12 } bet 6 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -18 or -36

-13 } bet 7 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -20 or -41

-14 } bet 7 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -21 or -42

-15 } bet 8 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -23 or -47

-16 } bet 8 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -24 or -48

-17 } bet 9 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -26 or -53

-18 } bet 9 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -27 or -54

-19 } bet 10 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win +1, lose -29 or -59

-20 } bet 10 units on each 2 dozens and 2 columns, win and break even, lose -30 or -60

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2016, 09:43:27 PM »
I often use these groups BA. They are what I call " Coincidentals"- four numbers where a particular Dozen and a particular Column coincide .
I am not so sure that betting 2 Dozens and Columns in the same spin is a good idea for you are really betting 4  groups of four ( 2 x 2 ) and so have  5 groups of four against you winning any 2 groups for your profit.
Quite apart from the zero.

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2016, 11:30:08 PM »
If I understand this correctly, it can also be described as:

When the same column and dozen combination hit twice, bet the other 2 dozens and the other 2 columns for a total bet of 4 units.

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2016, 01:21:00 AM »
If I understand this correctly, it can also be described as:

When the same column and dozen combination hit twice, bet the other 2 dozens and the other 2 columns for a total bet of 4 units.

Yes, but not any numbers, two times from 4 specific numbers.

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2016, 01:35:50 AM »
I often use these groups BA. They are what I call " Coincidentals"- four numbers where a particular Dozen and a particular Column coincide .
I am not so sure that betting 2 Dozens and Columns in the same spin is a good idea for you are really betting 4  groups of four ( 2 x 2 ) and so have  5 groups of four against you winning any 2 groups for your profit.
Quite apart from the zero.

From your 4 groups I'm losing 1 unit, from my 4 I'm winning 2 units. (16 vs 16 x 2=32) I'm better by 16 units

From the rest 4 numbers (excluding zero) I'm losing 4 units (4 x 4 = 16) you are better by 16 units

So overall same but I'm getting my advantage from 16 numbers instead of you getting it from 4 numbers, that's why I consider my way better.

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2016, 02:59:36 AM »
I often use these groups BA. They are what I call " Coincidentals"- four numbers where a particular Dozen and a particular Column coincide .
I am not so sure that betting 2 Dozens and Columns in the same spin is a good idea for you are really betting 4  groups of four ( 2 x 2 ) and so have  5 groups of four against you winning any 2 groups for your profit.
Quite apart from the zero.

From your 4 groups I'm losing 1 unit, from my 4 I'm winning 2 units. (16 vs 16 x 2=32) I'm better by 16 units

From the rest 4 numbers (excluding zero) I'm losing 4 units (4 x 4 = 16) you are better by 16 units

So overall same but I'm getting my advantage from 16 numbers instead of you getting it from 4 numbers, that's why I consider my way better.

I think the only advantage you have  is if your trigger points to the two winning groups.
Otherwise  no matter  what 2D and 2C you choose your result will  likely be ;
4 wins of 2  units each  4 x 2 =+8
1 Loss of 4 Units                     =-4
4 Losses of  1 unit                   =-4
Total gain  ignoring zero        = 0
It all depends on variance, though.
And I haven’t said HOW I bet .  In this I would bet inside.
All I am saying here is that I would not bet 2 Dozen and 2 Columns in the same spin. I don’t think that it is a viable option.

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2016, 07:14:49 AM »
I often use these groups BA. They are what I call " Coincidentals"- four numbers where a particular Dozen and a particular Column coincide .
I am not so sure that betting 2 Dozens and Columns in the same spin is a good idea for you are really betting 4  groups of four ( 2 x 2 ) and so have  5 groups of four against you winning any 2 groups for your profit.
Quite apart from the zero.

From your 4 groups I'm losing 1 unit, from my 4 I'm winning 2 units. (16 vs 16 x 2=32) I'm better by 16 units

From the rest 4 numbers (excluding zero) I'm losing 4 units (4 x 4 = 16) you are better by 16 units

So overall same but I'm getting my advantage from 16 numbers instead of you getting it from 4 numbers, that's why I consider my way better.

I think the only advantage you have  is if your trigger points to the two winning groups.
Otherwise  no matter  what 2D and 2C you choose your result will  likely be ;
4 wins of 2  units each  4 x 2 =+8
1 Loss of 4 Units                     =-4
4 Losses of  1 unit                   =-4
Total gain  ignoring zero        = 0
It all depends on variance, though.
And I haven’t said HOW I bet .  In this I would bet inside.
All I am saying here is that I would not bet 2 Dozen and 2 Columns in the same spin. I don’t think that it is a viable option.

I think what you don't understand is that I'm betting against 4 particular numbers hitting 3 times in a row!!!

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2016, 09:10:07 AM »
Suppose the roulette creates the next sequence : 33-14-18-29-5-15-7-3-6 .
Now I will bet: 5 units on 7/12 ,13/18 and 3x5 units on High (game of the dices).
2 units on 19/23,25/29,31/35 and 6 units on High ( Based on  High , the last dozen, and
column 1/34,2/34

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2016, 09:11:06 AM »
If I understand this correctly, it can also be described as:

When the same column and dozen combination hit twice, bet the other 2 dozens and the other 2 columns for a total bet of 4 units.

Yes, but not any numbers, two times from 4 specific numbers.
Every dozen/column combination has 4 specific numbers anyway.
There are 3 x 3 = 9 dozen column combinations.

I think it is more clear and simple if you refer to dozen/column combinations than 4 numbers groups.
You are basically betting that the same dozen/column combination will not repeat for a 3rd time.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2016, 09:13:15 AM by kav »

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2016, 09:47:29 AM »
I often use these groups BA. They are what I call " Coincidentals"- four numbers where a particular Dozen and a particular Column coincide .
I am not so sure that betting 2 Dozens and Columns in the same spin is a good idea for you are really betting 4  groups of four ( 2 x 2 ) and so have  5 groups of four against you winning any 2 groups for your profit.
Quite apart from the zero.

From your 4 groups I'm losing 1 unit, from my 4 I'm winning 2 units. (16 vs 16 x 2=32) I'm better by 16 units

From the rest 4 numbers (excluding zero) I'm losing 4 units (4 x 4 = 16) you are better by 16 units

So overall same but I'm getting my advantage from 16 numbers instead of you getting it from 4 numbers, that's why I consider my way better.

I think the only advantage you have  is if your trigger points to the two winning groups.
Otherwise  no matter  what 2D and 2C you choose your result will  likely be ;
4 wins of 2  units each  4 x 2 =+8
1 Loss of 4 Units                     =-4
4 Losses of  1 unit                   =-4
Total gain  ignoring zero        = 0
It all depends on variance, though.
And I haven’t said HOW I bet .  In this I would bet inside.
All I am saying here is that I would not bet 2 Dozen and 2 Columns in the same spin. I don’t think that it is a viable option.

I think what you don't understand is that I'm betting against 4 particular numbers hitting 3 times in a row!!!
You are right BA
I didn't "get it". Sorry.
Good Luck with it  .

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2016, 09:50:29 AM »
If I understand this correctly, it can also be described as:

When the same column and dozen combination hit twice, bet the other 2 dozens and the other 2 columns for a total bet of 4 units.

Yes, but not any numbers, two times from 4 specific numbers.
Every dozen/column combination has 4 specific numbers anyway.
There are 3 x 3 = 9 dozen column combinations.

I think it is more clear and simple if you refer to dozen/column combinations than 4 numbers groups.
You are basically betting that the same dozen/column combination will not repeat for a 3rd time.

Yes, that's it.

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 01:15:29 AM »
Similar concept here:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=962.msg13302#msg13302

Due to your inspiration and knowledge of Pales/Harry techniques, I am splitting the progression into 2 steps as the following:

1 1
2 4
7 13
23 41
74 133
240 432
777 1399

It can be played with the following bankrolls:

100 units (41)
175 units (74)
300 units (133)
550 units (240)
1000 units (432)
1800 units (777)
3150 units (1399)

After two misses I spin for a new trigger.  Any win generates a new profit.

How are you doing on your flat bets?  Maybe there is a middle ground with a tamer progression?

« Last Edit: July 31, 2016, 02:08:39 AM by Reyth »

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##### Re: Another trigger system
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2016, 09:51:34 AM »

After each result wait for new trigger.

The progression which I'm using on this one aims to recoup +1 or break even, it's not aggressive, raises slowly.

This is good for those who are happy with a few units and want to take their time without much risk.