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#### Sheridan44

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##### Differential betting (team)
« on: July 09, 2016, 09:41:46 PM »
I've been thinking of a possible partnership or a "single player with a virtual team" concept.

It seems that two players functioning as a team and betting progressively after either winning or losing, could both win if they use the same system but bet on opposing EC's. An example might be...within 6 spins player A loses 2 bets on red, while B has won 4 of them...a net of +2 for the "team" or in 4 spins one player loses 2 red bets while the other was playing black.. net loss =0. This concept has an appealing virtue of smoothing out peaks and valleys in each of the partners' results.

A roulette team with two opposing bets on the table would pay a high price if a zero turned up. If their wagers had been \$20 and \$30, their loss would be \$50....contrasted with just \$10 if they had bet only the net difference.

The solution could be that one partner does the betting for both. The other partner with (possibly a scratch pad) keeps track of the figures between the two opposing positions and calculates the net difference between the next two bets that their system calls for. He/she then tells their partner the single bet that reflects the difference.

Actually a single player could do this, by figuring the net differences and betting them accordingly.
A crude way of showing this might be - at a particular time red may be dominating black by a ratio of say 5 to 2....

Rather than loading up on red or black (whatever the method), the bettor places the difference (5-2) = \$3 on whichever color. This could soften those pesky and damaging bankroll whipsaws.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2016, 06:14:18 AM by kav »

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#### kav

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##### Re: Differential betting (team)
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2016, 10:12:03 PM »
Sheridan,
What you describe is a type of progression called "differential betting".
And it does have merit.
It has problems as well, aside from the complex calculations, because after all is said and done it is still a progression.
But congrats for figuring out such a sophisticated concept by yourself. I like very much the way you think.
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#### Sheridan44

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##### Re: Differential betting (team)
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 10:58:28 PM »
Yes, I'd like to study this "differential" method a little more. One trick that might ease its complexity is that if one was examining a specific amount of previous trials/spins..  let's say for the moment the last 10....one could calculate mentally by focusing on one color... ie... red. Keeping track - if red is 6 up.. then black must be 4 down (discounting the z's of course). If red is 2 down black is 8 up etc.  That might help a little.

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##### Re: Differential betting (team)
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2016, 12:01:24 AM »
One person betting Red and another betting black repeatedly could ( would ? ) be classed by the casino as collusion and is not normally allowed. Much better, as you later, say for one person to bet " the difference " and only one person to be hit by the zero. Anyway betting both Red and Black at the same time means that one or more of their chips cancel each other out so would result in only one person betting .  Well, betting sensibly anyway.,

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##### Re: Differential betting (team)
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2016, 12:22:44 PM »
I often think on playing both sides after an extreme imbalance. Return to the mean states that after an extreme event is is unlikely another extreme event will follow.
I did not experiment it yet.

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##### Re: Differential betting (team)
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2016, 01:45:06 PM »
I often think on playing both sides after an extreme imbalance. Return to the mean states that after an extreme event is is unlikely another extreme event will follow.
I did not experiment it yet.

If you bet both Red and Black on  the  same spin you cannot win but you can lose if zero  comes up.
It's only use is on a No Zero table where you are required to bet on every spin - if there is such a table.

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##### Re: Differential betting (team)
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2016, 08:18:12 PM »
Actually this is not a new concept, it's being covered extensively in the book "Monte Carlo Anecdotes".

Thanks for digging it up.