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##### Questions and Answers / Re: Can multiple people have an edge over the casino?
« Last post by scepticus on Today at 06:24:20 PM »
Mike
No matter how you slice it " Expectation " does  not mean Certain ? THAT is the point I am making .Law  of Large
Numbers or no Law of Large Numbers .
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##### Roulette Systems / Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Last post by MickyP on Today at 06:13:09 PM »
Point taken GIAJJENNO.

I like to play at an average of one unit profit per spin played so at 50 spins I'd like to see a profit of close to 50 units.
I very seldom play 50 consecutive spins to reach my session goal and I need to play at least 8 sessions to complete my day play. Average session is 10-15 spins.
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##### Roulette Systems / Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Last post by GIAJJENNO on Today at 05:29:09 PM »
Much more you will test, much more weakness of the system will appear. If this problems we can solve, it means ALL weakness, it can be the winning system, if no then looser system. Also I dont believe that in long run all system will fail.
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##### Roulette Systems / Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Last post by MickyP on Today at 05:22:34 PM »
I have abandoned the second test at 160 spins due to risk vs reward. I was up 69 units but sitting at a table for 160 spins for 69 units is not worth my while.

This method is a slow grind so if anyone wants to try it, maybe on PC at home, I suggest testing it first.
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##### Questions and Answers / Re: Can multiple people have an edge over the casino?
« Last post by Mike on Today at 05:13:01 PM »
This is clearly wrong .An EXPECTATION   is  NOT the same as a certainty. Some will disagree  !

scepticus,

This is another example of a term being used in the "everyday" sense when in this context it refers to a technical sense. This results in pointless arguments because people are using different definitions of the same term.

Your definition of "expectation" is something like one of the following :

expectation, outlook, prospect -- (belief about (or mental picture of) the future)
anticipation, expectation -- (anticipating with confidence of fulfillment)
expectation -- (the feeling that something is about to happen)

But actually, in this context, it should be :

arithmetic mean, first moment, expectation, expected value -- (the sum of the values of a random variable divided by the number of values)

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##### Questions and Answers / Re: Can multiple people have an edge over the casino?
« Last post by cht on Today at 04:59:15 PM »
About HE if the payout is 1:36 how does that change for you ?
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##### Questions and Answers / Re: Can multiple people have an edge over the casino?
« Last post by scepticus on Today at 03:46:51 PM »
“ The Edge “ Dobbelsteen , is the EXPECTATION that whoever has a mathematical advantage will  profit over any lengthy number of spins.
The argument that the casino has a “ House Edge “ is based on the mathematical advantage it has over the Bettor .
In the case of your 10 bets of an EC ,for example, the calculation is that over 36 spins you will win 18 times and lose 18 times so no profit . As there are 37 numbers on the table you  now must allow that the zero will win it  so you lose ½ of a point. -0.5x37 = -1.35% .  So the casinos theoretical Edge over you is 1.35%
Too many think that this means that the casino MUST win in “The Long Run” .This is clearly wrong .An EXPECTATION   is  NOT the same as a certainty. Some will disagree  !
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##### Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Red/Black Odd/Even bets
« Last post by Scarface on Today at 02:35:19 PM »
I'd rather do the opposite, and parlay, and only risk 1 unit for a chance to win 8.  The odds of winning a parlay is the same.

Worse case for 8 losses in a row with Martingale 1-2-4 progression for 8 rounds is -56 units

Worse case for 8 losses in a row with parlay positive progression is -8 units

Best case if you win 8 rounds in a row with Martingale is 1 unit a round, so in 8 rounds you can only win 8 units

Best case if you win 8 rounds in a row on Parlay is 64 units

So in 8 rounds with a negative progression the most you can win is only 8 units...but you're risking up to 56 units of your own money.

But with the parlay bet, you can win up to 64 units best case scenerio, but you're risking only 8 units of your own money.

Also, you said after 2 losses raise wager so this will make potential losses way steeper than the examples I just gave.

The odds are the same.  Got to look at risk vs reward
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##### Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Red/Black Odd/Even bets
« Last post by leowls on Today at 01:20:46 PM »
at such you would have stopped at BBBBB in which case you only lost 2 rounds...wait for a while for it to normalise or switch to another table. To make it safer you can wait for a virtual loss to occur before placing your bet.
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##### Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Red/Black Odd/Even bets
« Last post by Rourke on Today at 01:06:03 PM »
I'm sorry... I think this will fail pretty quick. What happens if B-B-B occurs and you start betting on R and then you'll get B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B...?
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