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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2017, 11:50:20 PM »
There are no streets guys. Nor splits or EC's etc.

This is an old way to view roulette. Everything is based on INDIVIDUAL numbers.

Whats this? >> 25 26 27.
Is that the 25 street? No, its 25 26 27 and a coincidence that the three numbers are in the SAME street.

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2017, 04:13:18 AM »



Mr. J. is correct.  Studying the layout to beat roulette is like a fortune teller studying the stars to predict someone's fortune.
 
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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2017, 08:51:29 AM »
The layout is just a conventional way to divide up the 36 numbers, but that doesn't mean it's wrong or that there are only individual numbers. If you think in terms of probabilities and odds then 25 26 27 is a street which has the same probability of a hit as any of the 3 individual numbers 25,26,27. Any 3 numbers have the same probability of a hit, so a street is just as valid as any way you can think of to group them.

If you're an AP then you naturally think in terms of the wheel and sectors, or individual numbers. But if not then a 3 number sector is as good as a street, and vice-versa.
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2017, 02:39:08 PM »
So you are claiming that we should consider ONLY individual numbers , Mr. J.?
If not, just what is the point you are trying to make ?
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2017, 02:47:07 PM »
  a street is just as valid as any way you can think of to group them.


I disagree. Give me an example.

I'll make something up, just as an example >> the 4 5 6 is "hot" as of late so I'll bet on it for a few spins. Lets not forget, maybe the 4 & 5 are hot but the 6 has not hit in 180 spins.

I'm suppose to include that 6 in my three number group? No thanks. It might be, the 4 5 & 33 are presently "hot".

IMO, I'm WASTING chips betting on the entire street. If we look at the last 300 spins (its a small sample) and the 4 5 6 just so happen to have the MOST hits, fine, bet the street but I can tell you, its a coincidence only. Lets say we look and see that red has hit in the last 10/10 spins. All I hear at the CASINO is.....red sure is hot.

Is it? What about 4 of the reds that have not hit in 30 spins, what about 3 of the reds that have not hit in 60 spins? So is RED still hot? Its all in the wording. Yes, particular RED numbers are CURRENTLY hot.

I can give the opposite example for cold >> The 1-6 DS sure is cold. Four of the numbers have not hit in 20-35 spins. The 2 & 6 have a few recent hits. So the entire DS is cold? (lol)

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2017, 02:56:40 PM »
So you are claiming that we should consider ONLY individual numbers , Mr. J.?


Yes, for sure. Take any example....your method requires you to bet (I dont care the reason) on the 2 3 5 6 corner. Whatever that reason is, regardless of how many spins....you can dissect those 4 numbers.
Are 1 or 2 of those just along for the ride? Do all 4 of those numbers BELONG in your group and why?

My way (if I agreed with your 4 number purpose), it might be the 2 3 6 & 27 I'm betting. Why does the 5 HAVE TO BE in it?

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2017, 04:29:43 PM »


Playing streets in order to exploit hot/biased numbers is like using a fork to drink coffee.  It's horribly inefficient.
 
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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2017, 05:22:41 PM »
I disagree. Give me an example.

I'll make something up, just as an example >> the 4 5 6 is "hot" as of late so I'll bet on it for a few spins. Lets not forget, maybe the 4 & 5 are hot but the 6 has not hit in 180 spins.

I'm suppose to include that 6 in my three number group? No thanks. It might be, the 4 5 & 33 are presently "hot".

If the wheel is biased then of course it's inefficient to bet on a street, unless the biased numbers happen to all be in one street. But if you're not an AP and have no reason to believe that particular numbers are more likely to hit than any others it doesn't matter that a street  has a cold number, or even two. Streets can also be hot regardless of whether all the numbers in it are also hot. Same goes for any other layout group.
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2017, 05:38:03 PM »
Oh ! Come off it Mr.J .
You are being selective in choosing what you don't want to bet and THAT is why you think it better to leave out the number you don't want to bet .
 It depends on what we choose what to bet - or not to bet -  that determines our choice of staking plan. What if I choose to bet the numbers  1-2-3 ? The choice of betting them as individual numbers would cost me 3 chips but only 1 chip if bettingas a Street . The ODDS are the same   but it depends on the strategy being  used relative to the Bankroll .
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2017, 07:40:48 PM »
When betting group of numbers that have higher frequency of hits,  often splits and sometimes streets or even 4 numbers coner bets can be implemented. 
    Use of such bets and mix between them is highly advisable to reflect edge percentage that each number produces  ( higher frequency - higher bet) and to mix it up for undesirable observers.
   Just need to take care to not bet ( overbet) negative numbers unnecessarily.  Common logic be your guide. 
 
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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2017, 08:44:41 PM »

   Just need to take care to not bet ( overbet) negative numbers unnecessarily.   

Yep!!! Correct!!!
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2017, 08:48:59 PM »
I disagree. Give me an example.

I'll make something up, just as an example >> the 4 5 6 is "hot" as of late so I'll bet on it for a few spins. Lets not forget, maybe the 4 & 5 are hot but the 6 has not hit in 180 spins.

I'm suppose to include that 6 in my three number group? No thanks. It might be, the 4 5 & 33 are presently "hot".

  Streets can also be hot regardless of whether all the numbers in it are also hot. 

Wrong, there are no streets etc.

If not all numbers in the "street" are hot (as you say), why are you betting on it? If the 25 & 27 are hot and the 26 is cold, why on earth would you bet that street?

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2017, 08:55:18 PM »
Oh ! Come off it Mr.J .
You are being selective in choosing what you don't want to bet and THAT is why you think it better to leave out the number you don't want to bet .
 It depends on what we choose what to bet - or not to bet -  that determines our choice of staking plan. What if I choose to bet the numbers  1-2-3 ? The choice of betting them as individual numbers would cost me 3 chips but only 1 chip if bettingas a Street . The ODDS are the same   but it depends on the strategy being  used relative to the Bankroll .


If the REASON you are betting the 1 2 3 does not conflict with choosing other numbers, then yes, bet the street. QUESTION >> give me a reason why you would bet the 1 2 3 street as part of your method?

Trick question >> here are the last 6 numbers to hit. The 35 just hit.

35
17
00
12
34
22

What street just hit?

Ken
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2017, 09:08:43 PM »
Wrong, there are no streets etc.

The casino seems to think there are, that's why they pay me if the street I'm betting on hits.

What you and Mr P are assuming is that numbers which are hot will continue to stay hot, but numbers can change from hot to cold at any time unless there is good reason to believe that they'll stay hot (biased wheel).

If a number which was previously hot can cool off at any time then what's the advantage of picking 3 individual numbers as opposed to a street? Any or all of the 3 hot numbers you picked can cool off and any numbers in the street you picked can get hot. Suppose the street is hot due to only one number in it, what's to stop the other two numbers getting hot the moment you start betting on it? There's no difference. The odds are the same.

But as Scep has pointed out, with a street you can cover 3 numbers for the price of 1, and it's also quicker and easier to place bets.
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2017, 09:11:18 PM »
   Just need to take care to not bet ( overbet) negative numbers unnecessarily.  Common logic be your guide.

Common logic? What's logical about betting on hot numbers? Your argument is based on the assumption that any apparently hot numbers are the result of bias, which is an assumption too far.
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