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Title: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 17, 2017, 02:43:43 PM
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With this system, the hits come in waves to end each session fast!

1) Place 1 unit on the first Street of each Dozen.
2) Spin twice. Raise all +1 until at 5 chips and spin once.
3) Any hit and reset all chip levels to 1.  Move the hit Street "over 1 space" within the Dozen (loop through the Dozen).  Session goal 38 units.
4) After one spin at 5 units, increase the unit size by 1, reset & continue until at profit:

1   75      75
2   150      225
3   225      500
4   300      800
5   375      1175

Of course any recovery level surfing techniques can apply.

Progression

3   3    = 24.33%
3   6    = 42.73%
6   12  = 56.66%
6   18  = 67.19%
9   27  = 75.17%
9   36  = 81.21%
12   48  = 85.78%
12   60  = 89.23%
15   75  = 91.86%

Bankroll required 1200 units.  32 won sessions required to double the bankroll.

Statistics

Max Loss: 7 (5 practical=0.0000034375; 1 in 290,909)
1.469771E+07 1196353 97287 7938 657 46 4 2

91.86% will successively fully lose 5-6 times as a once in a lifetime event (1 out of 8M & 1 out of 4M).  4 full successive losses occurs only 1 in 290,909 times for a loss of 1200 units.
   
https://youtu.be/aBe7SWmvVzo

DISCLAIMER: This is not my system but I share it here because of its unique balance.



+36 WIN
+36 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
+48 WIN
+48 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+51 WIN
+45 WIN
+48 WIN
+45 WIN
+42 WIN (+693)
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN (+984)
-96 LOSS <=== after about 400 spins, a little worn out; worst session on record -750

Doubling my unit size and shooting for a win of 76 units.

+90 WIN

Writing 6 units off and returning to normal bet sizing.

+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN (+1185)
-75 LOSS <=== 175 spin session, feeling worn out; -600

Doubling the unit size and shooting for a 76 unit win.  This coup will double my bankroll!

+78 WIN (+1263) BOOM!

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+45 WIN
+42 WIN (+1350)
-75 LOSS <=== only 69 spins but meh, I want to eat breakfast; -300

Double for 76.

+3 WIN <=== tough session went to Level 2 in recovery and scrapped back

Double for 73.

+81 WIN (+1359)
+45 WIN
+48 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+48 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+48 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN (+1926)
+42 WIN (+1968)
-84 LOSS <=== betting error went to level 3 instead of 2.  Successive late hits went to level 8; -700

Doubling starting unit, profit goal of 58 units.

+60 WIN (+1944)

Doubling starting unit, profit goal 25 units.

+27 WIN (+1971)
+42 WIN
+48 WIN
+3 WIN <=== strong successive drawdown to level 3; -200 + feeling "floaty" [hungry]
+45 WIN <=== [burp]
+42 WIN (+2151)
-60 LOSS <=== strong pull to level 4; -600

Double starting unit for a profit goal of 45 units.

+54 WIN (+2145)

Double starting unit for a profit goal of 7 units.

+24 WIN (+2169)
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN (+2418) BOOM! BOOM!!

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+41 WIN
+42 WIN (+2501)
-92 LOSS successive drawdown to level 4; -500

Double starting unit for a profit goal of 47+ units.

+66 WIN (+2475)

Double starting unit for a profit goal of 27 units.

+84 WIN <=== rode the Right Wing state until DZ2 Street hit.
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+9 WIN <=== double drawdown to level 3; -250
+39 WIN
+45 WIN (+2736)
-90 LOSS <=== double drawdown to level 4; -350 going to sleep

Double starting unit for profit goal of 46+ units.

+48 WIN (+2694)

Double starting unit for profit goal of 43 units.

-57 LOSS <=== double drawdown to level 4; -350

Total debt is now 99 units.

Double starting unit for a profit goal of 50+ units.

+69 WIN <=== raised a unit on a late hit

Double starting unit for a profit goal of 31 units.

+48 WIN (+2754)
-69 LOSS <=== Including 2 earlier hits, missed for 21 times, level 4; -350

Double starting unit, profit goal 35+ units.

+42 WIN (+2727)

Double starting unit, profit goal 28 units.

-75 LOSS (+2652)

Debt is now 102 units.  Double start amount, profit goal 52+ units.

+48 WIN <=== drawdown to level 2, scrapped back.

Debt is now 54 units.  Double start amount, profit goal 55 units.

+66 WIN (+2766)
+42 WIN
+39 WIN (+2847)
-30 LOSS <=== small downturn -150

Double starting unit, profit goal 31 units.

+36 WIN (+2853)
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+48 WIN
+42 WIN (+3156)
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN (+3405)

-1143 LOSS <=== lost bank;just down to 300+, then 1000+ back to 900+ and exit

This brings my profit balance to 2262.

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3405+2262=5667/2=2834 <=== target recovery goal (+572 units)

I am going to attempt to recover 1/2 of the loss by doubling the starting unit and using a session goal of 58 units, looking for 10 won sessions to reach the goal.

+66 WIN
+60 WIN
+69 WIN
+60 WIN
+66 WIN
+60 WIN (+381)
+78 WIN
+60 WIN
+72 WIN (+591) GOAL ACHIEVED!!

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The debt is now only 552 units (with a positive balance of +2853)

Cutting the debt in half again is 276 units.  Going to double the starting unit for a session goal of 28 units.

+30 WIN
+30 WIN
+30 WIN
+36 WIN
+42 WIN (+168)
+50 WIN
-75 LOSS <=== drawdown to level 2; -150

Starting 2 units, session goal 38+ units.

+54 WIN

Starting 2 units, session goal 22 units.

+45 WIN (+242)
+30 WIN
+36 WIN (+308) GOAL ACHIEVED!!

The debt is now reduced to 244 units.  I am going to "write this off" and go back to a single unit, only needing 7 won sessions to reach par and with a current profit balance of 3161.

+38 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
-87 LOSS <=== multiple drawdowns at level 3 to -90; -200

Double start unit, profit goal 44+ units

-72 LOSS <=== major successive drawdown -450

Total debt is now 159 units.  This needs to be cut in half which is 80 units.

Double start unit with a profit goal of 41+ units.

+54 WIN

Total debt is now 105 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 53+ units.

+66 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 40 units.

+48 WIN
+39 WIN
+48 WIN
+45 WIN

+3424 ALL TIME HIGH!!!

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+38 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
-90 LOSS <=== Double drawdown to level 3; -250

Double start unit, profit goal 46+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 31 units.

+36 WIN
+54 WIN (+3603) BOOM! BOOM!! BOOM!!!

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(http://i66.tinypic.com/256wvfm.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/rm1nxg.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/ejioad.jpg)

Now that I have tripled & quadrupled (http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1462.msg21430#msg21430) my bank, follow me 5X, 6X, 7X, 8X, 9X & 10X my bank, here! (http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1462.msg21576#msg21576)
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: jekhb76 on March 17, 2017, 02:51:02 PM
A really awesome new way to play, thanks man will try it out a.s.a.p.
Eddy
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Jake007 on March 17, 2017, 03:10:08 PM
after the first level, what does the second level look like?

2/2/2,4/4/4,6/6/6,8/8/8,10/10/10 ? Like that?

and the third level if it ever reached?

4/4/4, 8/8/8, 16/16/16, 32/32/32, 64/64/64

and so on until back in profit and then back down to 1?

Thanks! Fun so far!
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 17, 2017, 03:18:19 PM
Second level:

2 2 2 (i.e. 2 on each Street)
2 2 2
4 4 4
4 4 4
6 6 6
6 6 6
8 8 8
8 8 8
10 10 10 (i.e. 10 on each Street)

Third level:

3 3 3 (i.e. 3 on each Street)
3 3 3
6 6 6
6 6 6
9 9 9
9 9 9
12 12 12
12 12 12
15 15 15 (i.e. 15 on each Street)

Ya its kind of like a horse race to see which Dozen will make it all the way through first. :D

The author says he likes "riding the waves". :D
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: TERMINATOR on March 17, 2017, 03:24:14 PM
Nevermind my last post, I understand now. Had a brain fart.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: jekhb76 on March 17, 2017, 03:32:18 PM
I don't think we ever bet 6 streets, only three at a time.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 17, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
Man I have been in some amazing sets of waves!  The instinct is to run away in fear as soon as the waves will let me go but the one thought that keeps me in there is the fact that I cannot defeat the odds with hit and run; I just need to remain calm and surf on!

The strongest technique is setting a positve recovery inclination via locking in profits from lower levels by going up levels at pre-defined recovery balance goals.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: TERMINATOR on March 17, 2017, 05:55:23 PM
What are "Waves" referring to? Streaks?
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Jake007 on March 17, 2017, 06:22:43 PM
Started with a 1000 bankroll and dipped to 960 at the beginning and then moved on up to 1165. Impressed. However, a down turn brought me back to 1005 so I stopped. I guess I should have been happy at the +40 area  8)
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 17, 2017, 07:06:42 PM
Well he called them "waves in both directions" so ya, the win streaks & the loss streaks.

@Jake: This is a "crash & burn" recovery system where every sesssion ends in a profit of at least 38 units.

EDIT:  I have recently employed a "fatigue stop loss" where I will end a session that has gone very deep in the negative and I have scrapped it back to under 100 units.  I then come back later with double the unit size and profit goal.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: ShadowBlue on March 18, 2017, 08:38:11 AM
Thanks a lot for this nice system....  :D
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 18, 2017, 03:12:30 PM
Ya the author only publishes high quality systems; he puts alot of thought into them.  The main version of this uses 9 numbers on the inside (he won $3000 real money in 6 straight wins for $500 each, using $4000 bankroll) but when he mentioned there was a version for 3 streets and I put paper to pencil on it, my mind just went "click" and I knew that the Streets method was very powerful because its earning is in a 1:1(/3) ratio with the 9 SU bet and the bankroll required is therefore 1/3rd less.

New Technique

There are 3 Streets in 3 separate Dozens.  When all 3 go missing for 7-9 times (or more), the Street that hits, leaves 2 other Streets that are due. 

A single and temporary raise of an additional unit on all, makes sense at this point. 

What is really nice is when that SAME Street hits again!  Now you have 2 Streets that are even more due!  A single temporary raise of an additional unit can be made  for each successive repeat of the hot Street OR the option exists to simply "let it ride" as long as the hot Street soaks up the hits.

This creates 3 different selection "states" once a late hit occurs:

The Wings: DZ1 & DZ3 Streets are due
Left Wing: DZ1 & DZ2 Streets are due
Right Wing: DZ2 & D3 Streets are due



INTERESTING NOTE: When we come back to eclipse a small debt & start with 2 units instead of 1, we can set the profit goal to LESS than double the normal goal (the normal goal is 38 units & twice that is 76 units) to lessen our exposure to drawdown; I will call this SandbaggingTM



3 Station Probabala

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We use a 9 step progression and so we can see that each Street has a 53.28% chance of coming in, within the progression.  However, once we receive a hit, that equality changes and is in constant flux during our session.

So tracking each Street for its own percentage chance to hit can be very useful; Street A, Street B & Street C.

After a progression miss, the amount that A+B+C>100 is how much below expectation our selection is and we are able to see clearly the SD; (A+B+C)-160 = our statistical edge.

We also can calculate the chances of a particular Street hitting within the progression by taking the current Probabala figure and moving forward 9 spaces to see the percentage chance.

IMPORTANT: Since we move our selection after every hit, we should RECALCULATE the Probabala figure for that new Street that we are on -- we MUST get better odds than if we stayed!

6 Station Probabala

(http://i68.tinypic.com/rm1nxg.jpg)

9 Station Probabala

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SECRET & HIDDEN CONCEPT: Having multiple separate betting elements in the bet selection is stronger statistically than a single bet selection covering the same numbers, even if they are always bet in equal amounts; this is because each betting element is movable independently of the others.



Non-typical Losing Session

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The gap between 0-100 is where a typical session will encounter losses that are quickly corrected so that the target goal can be achieved; the downswings are not large enough to pose a statistical threat.

When a session extends below 100 units in loss (double losses+) the length of recovery is from Point A to Point B and is likely to reverse itself before the profit goal can be obtained (counter-swing). 

Most sessions do not have double losses and are resolved within the 0-100 window but in the exceptional case of double losses+, it is better to accept a loss of under 100 units and then address that in a new session with the starting unit size +1 and the target goal of a range from at least 51% of the debt.  This actually yields a statistcal advantage because its easier to achieve this recovery goal than it is to hit the normal target goal of 38 units.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 21, 2017, 12:07:43 AM
+18 WIN (+3621) <=== minor drawdown to level 2
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
-21 LOSS <===  double drawdown; -150

Double start unit, profit goal 22 units.

+30 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+42 WIN <=== on video (http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1462.msg21441#msg21441)
-87 LOSS <=== double drawdown to level 4; -300

Double start unit, profit goal 44+ units.

+0 WIN <=== small drawdown to level 3; -150
+63 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 25 units.

+42 WIN
-87 LOSS <=== double drawdown to level 3; -250

Double start unit, profit goal 44+ units

+44 WIN (+3815)

Double start units, profit goal 44 units.

-1176 LOSS <=== multiple successive drawdowns, minor single wins

Profit balance is now +2639.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2dt6srr.jpg)

Addressing half of the debt which is 588 units.  Doubling the start unit for a profit goal of 59+ units & 10 won sessions to eclipse the debt.

+72 WIN
+66 WIN
+72 WIN
+72 WIN
+68 WIN (+350)
+66 WIN
-84 LOSS <=== multiple drawdowns -350

Double start unit, profit goal 43+ units.

+48 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 37 units.

-87 LOSS <=== over 150 spins, multiple drawdowns/recoveries -350

The debt is now 123 units and needs to be cut in half for 62 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 32+ units.

+36 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 44+ units.

+54 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 34 units.

+48 WIN (+430)
+66 WIN
+72 WIN (+568)
+72 WIN <=== GOAL ACHIEVED!

The debt is now 536 units, cut in half is 268 units.  10 won sessions of 27 units with double start unit.

-69 LOSS <=== drawdown to -150

Double start unit for 35+ units.

+36 WIN

Double start unit for 34 units.

-69 LOSS <=== drawdown to -150

Debt is now 102 units.  Double start for 52+ units.

-96 LOSS <=== drawdown to -150

Debt is now 198 units and needs to be cut in half for 99 units.

Double start unit for profit goal of 50+ units.

-60 LOSS <=== drawdown to -150

Debt is now 258, cut in three is 86 units.

Double start unit for profit goal of 44+ units.

+48 WIN

Double start unit for profit goal of 39+ units.

+54 WIN

Debt is now 156, double start unit, goal of 44+ units.

+52 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 36+ units.

+48 WIN

Debt is now 56, double start unit, goal 57 units.

+69 WIN

Returning to double start unit, 27+ units.

+38 WIN
+48 WIN
+45 WIN
+36 WIN (+3459)
-423 <=== EMERGENCY BAILOUT; multiple successive drawdowns -900+

The profit balance is now +3036 units.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/16gl8av.jpg)

Dividing the debt of 423 units is 212 units; cut in 4 pieces is 53 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 53+ units.

+63 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal of 43+ units.

+54 WIN

The debt is now 306 units, divided by 3 is 102 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 52+ units.

+63 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 41+ units.

-186 LOSS <=== 1/2 BAILOUT; double drawdown -400+ units.

This makes the debt 555 units, dividng into 5 sections of 111.

Double start unit, profit goal 56+ units.

+66 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 46+ units.

+51 WIN

The debt is now 438 units into 4 sections of 110 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 55+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 50+ units.

+54 WIN

The debt is now 324 units into 3 sections of 108 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 55+ units.

+72 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 38+ units.

+60 WIN

The debt is now 192 units into 2 sections of 96 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 48+ units.

+48 WIN
+63 WIN

The debt is now 81 units.

I can't help it.  Alarm bells are ringing in my head: "DANGER WILL ROBINSON!  Too many sessions for this recovery process!!".

I need to take a deep breath and look at this situation and maybe consider tripling the start unit...?  That sounds crazy and maybe I should go back down to a single start unit to soak up a loss?

The actual profit balance is +3504.  What has happened is the Emergency Bailout has disrupted the recovery flow and has made the recovery process more vulnerable.

I am starting to think that writing off the remaining debt of 311 units is going to be the best idea at this point.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2urureg.jpg)

After all, only about 8 coups are required to regain overall profit, using 1 unit.

So, for safety's sake, writing off the debt and continuing with the standard single start unit and profit goal of +38 units.

+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+45 WIN
-90 LOSS <=== double drawdown -500

Double start unit, profit goal 46+ units.

-48 LOSS <=== drawdown -150

Debt is 138 into 3 pieces for 46 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 47+ units.

+54 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 40+ units.

+48 WIN

Debt is 36 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 37 units.

+54 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
+0 WIN <=== drawdown -150
+42 WIN (+3777)
+39 WIN (+3816) ALL TIME HIGH!!!

(https://m.popkey.co/57801c/0JyLW.gif)

-423 <=== EMERGENCY BAILOUT; multiple drawdowns -700+, ignored a scrap back to  350 units

(http://i66.tinypic.com/1606dg1.jpg)

The profit balance is +3393.  Dividing the debt of 423 units is 212 units; cut in 4 pieces is 53 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 53+ units.

+66 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 40+ units.

+42 WIN

The debt is now 315 units, dividing in 3 for 105 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 53+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 46+ units.

+57 WIN (+3618)

Debt is now 198 units.  Writing this debt off with only about 5 coups at 1 unit required to gain a new high.

-141 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT; betting error + double drawdown 500+

Not playing well, fatigued.  Taking a break.

Dividing this debt into 2 parts for 72 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 37+ units.

+15 WIN <=== drawdown to -125 units.
-48 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT; double drawdown to -250 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 43+ units.

+54 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 32+ units.

+39 WIN

Debt is now 84 units.

Double start unit. profit goal is 42+ units.

+48 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal is 37 units.

+39 WIN

Back to normal mode.

+42 WIN (+3666)
-306 LOSS <=== EMERGENCY BAILOUT; multiple successive drawdowns -750

Dividing this debt into 3 sections of 102 units.

Double start unit, profit goal of 51+ units.

+66 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 36+ units.

+54 WIN

This debt is now 186 units, into 2 sections of 93 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 47+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 34+ units.

+36 WIN

Debt is 90 units, 2 sections of 45 units.

Double start unit, profit goal of 45+ units.

+45 WIN

Double start, profit goal 46 units.

+63 WIN (+3684)

Normal play.

+48 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN (+3813)
+9 WIN <=== drawdown to -150

+3822 NEW HIGH!!

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/02ca3f136a4cd7c939bef400efd44b6d/tumblr_mh24fopR7p1rf070ao1_400.gif)

+39 WIN
+42 WIN
-141 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT; multiple drawdowns -400+

Dividing the debt into 2 sections for 71 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 36+ units.

+42 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 30+ units.

+30 WIN

The debt is now 69 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 35+ units.

+36 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 34 units.

-60 LOSS <=== actually had 35 units but accidentally spun; -250

The debt is now 93 units, splitting into 2 sections of 47 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 47+ units.

+57 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 37 units.

+42 WIN (+3909)

Normal play.

+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN (+4569)
+48 WIN
+39 WIN
+48 WIN
+45 WIN
+48 WIN
+45 WIN (+4842)

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!!!!!!!! QUADRUPLE BANK !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: jekhb76 on March 21, 2017, 08:24:43 AM
Hi Reyth, it was all clear in the first section, but now i'm only making loses and i don't understand what i'm doin' anymore.
Do you care to post a playthrough session on here from the beginning on with a step by step what you are doin' ? thanks man.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 21, 2017, 02:06:17 PM
1) Be sure you play for a session goal of 38 units (unless you are recovering from previous session debt).

2) Losses must happen and we need to be willing to play until we at least get the debt down to under 100 units or until our bank of 1200 units is gone (as the system stands now).

3) Sessions will either be relatively small losses 0-150 (or maybe 250 max) that will lead to our session win of +38 units or they will be larger losses 150+ units of debt that we must scrap back to under 100 units and then recover in separate sessions.

4) You can see how I recover debt in separate sessions from my listed play results where many times I cut the debt into pieces, set a new starting unit size and a new session goal.  Study that to learn the technique.

5) Scrapping skills need to be applied when facing larger debts like 200-800 units where we must know when to raise and when to lower our chips and why we are doing so.  This takes into account the session states (Wings, Left Wing & Right Wing) and the individual statistics of each street (including the streets just moved to).  All raising/lowering is based on statistics but yet is also an art as well as a science and sometimes takes into account "instinct" as well.

6) Describing the Scrapping technique is a rather large body of information and I feel certain that it is the reason for the "Inside D'Alembert Guy's" success and is the difference between success and failure in roulette gambling.

7) I will attempt to make a video of a recovery session to give some idea of how I am doing it.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: jekhb76 on March 21, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
Thanks Reyth,

Yeah maybe a video of a session including recovery will help allot

thanks

Eddy
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 21, 2017, 03:22:33 PM
https://youtu.be/Jzo_yeBuKYA <=== Normal recovery session

Emergency Bailout Procedure

In rare cases, sessions will go to their very deepest in debt (800+ units) and at that time it is very dangerous to try and recoup the entire debt and even to reduce it to under 100 units.

The procedure involves lowering the chips by 1 after every coup until the final coup of the recovery at 2 units where the session is then ended.

Exceptions to the auto-lowering are made for late hits and Wing Events.

Granted this leaves a large debt of 200-400 units but it is far better to have that than to risk the statistically significant chance of a counter-trend where the entire bank is lost.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2mrz5e0.jpg)

MINI-BAILOUTS can be performed where the overall debt can have been less than 800 and the resulting debt is 100-200 units.  This is done in the same spirit as an Emergency Bailout (to avoid counter trending).
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 25, 2017, 06:40:30 PM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2egcvue.jpg)

+39 WIN
+48 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
-51 LOSS <=== drawdown -150

Double start unit, profit goal 26+ units.

+30 WIN
+45 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 22 units.

+24 WIN

Normal play.

+39 WIN
+51 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
+51 WIN
-90 LOSS <=== drawdown -250

Double start unit, profit goal 45+ units.

+66 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 25 units.

+36 WIN

Normal play.

+45 WIN
+45 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+12 WIN <=== multiple drawdowns, -200
+48 WIN
+48 WIN (+5577)
+39 WIN
+48 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN (+5787)
-612 LOSS <=== 1 bet from lost bank; scrap back to 350 units prior to >800.

The profit balance is now +5175.  Taking break.  Deal with this fortunate event upon my return.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/2mcw1aq.jpg)

612 units into 6 pieces is 102 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 51+ units.

+39 WIN <=== massive multiple drawdown 700+
+60 WIN

Debt is now 513 units into 5 pieces is 103 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 52+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 44+ units.

+48 WIN (+5832)

Debt is now 405 units into 4 pieces is 102 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 51+ units.

-165 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT; double drawdown -550

Dividing this debt into 2 sections of 83 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 42+ units.

+48 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 36+ units.

+36 WIN

Debt is now 81 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 41+ units.

+42 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 40+ units.

+54 WIN (+5397)

Continuing with debt of 390 units into 4 pieces of 98 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 49+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 38+ units.

+60 WIN

Debt is 270, 3 pieces of 90 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 45+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 30+ units.

+30 WIN (+5607)

Debt is 180.  Writing this off with only about 4-5 coups to gain overall profit with 1 start unit.

+45 WIN (+5652)
-171 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT; multiple drawdowns -450

(http://i66.tinypic.com/bf019g.jpg)

Divided into 2 sections of 86 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 43+ units.

+48 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 38+ units.

+54 WIN

Debt is now 69 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 35+ units.

+45 WIN

Double start, profit goal 25 units.

+24 WIN (+5652)

Normal play.

+0 WIN <=== drawdown -87
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+51 WIN
+42 WIN
+47 WIN (+5870)

NEW HIGH!

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/91/f1/a3/91f1a31ba9edbbacd9243aa2e8ab1d7b.gif)

+39 WIN
+51 WIN
+42 WIN (+6002)

THIS SYSTEM IS TEH BAWM!!!
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/667833/nuclear-o.gif)
FIVE TIMES DOUBLING THE BANK!!!!!

+39 WIN
+51 WIN
+45 WIN
+45 WIN
+48 WIN
+36 WIN <=== multiple drawdowns
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+0 WIN <=== multiple drawdowns -150
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
-102 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT; multiple drawdowns -350

Dividing debt into 2 sections of 51 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 51+ units.

+72 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 30+ units.

+30 WIN

Normal play.

+39 WIN (+6671)
-78 LOSS <=== Multiple drawdowns -250

Split into 2 sections of 39 units.

Double start unit, profit goal of 39+ units.

+42 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 37 units.

+48 WIN

Normal play.

+48 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
-99 WIN

Dividing debt into two sections of 55 units.

Double start unit with profit goal of 55+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 40 units.

+48 WIN

Normal play.

-57 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT; -300

Double start unit, profit goal 58 units.

+63 WIN

Normal play.

-78 LOSS <=== multiple drawdowns -350

Double start unit, profit goal 39+ units.

+39 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 40 units.

+54 WIN (+6929)

Normal play.

+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+51 WIN (+7064)
+39 WIN
-87 LOSS <=== multiple drawdowns -350

Double start unit, profit goal 44+ units.

+15 WIN <=== one full drawdown
+30 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 43 units.

-63 LOSS <=== one full drawdown

The debt is now 105 units, 2 sections of 53 units.

Double start, profit goal 53+ units.

+54 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 52 units.

+57 WIN (+7109)

Normal play.

+24 WIN <=== multiple late hits
-54 LOSS <=== double drawdown -250

Double start unit, profit goal 55 units.

+60 WIN (+7139)
-81 LOSS <=== full drawdown -200

Double start unit, profit goal 41+ units.

+45 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 37 units.

+60 WIN (+7163)

Normal play.

+42 WIN (+7205)

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/015/557/i_cant_even-fainting.gif)

6X BANK!!!
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on March 30, 2017, 02:43:27 AM
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2jbjtys.jpg)

+39 WIN
+18 WIN <=== short break required
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+47 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+48 WIN
+39 WIN
+27 WIN <=== double drawdown
+45 WIN
+45 WIN
+39 WIN (+7882)
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+51 WIN (+8014)
+39 WIN
+15 WIN <=== full drawdown
+9 WIN <=== full drawdown
+39 WIN
+42 WIN (+8158)
-171 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2uo5qxi.jpg)

2 sections of 86 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 43+ units.

+54 WIN

Double start unit profit goal 32+ units.

-195 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT, -450

Total debt is now 312 units (+7846), into 3 sections of 104 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 52+ units.

+57 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 47+ units.

+54 WIN

Debt is now 201 units, into 2 sections of 101 units.

Double start unit, profit goal is 51+ units.

+75 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 27+ units.

+39 WIN

Debt is now 87 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 44+ units.

+62 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 26 units.

+36 WIN (+8169)

Normal play.

+54 WIN
+15 WIN <=== double drawdown
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN
-72 LOSS <=== multiple drawdowns -150

Double start unit, profit goal 36+ units.

+48 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 25 units.

+48 WIN (+8385)

Normal play.

+39 WIN (+8424)

(http://toons.artie.com/alphabet/numbers/arg-7-50.gif)
(https://media.tenor.co/images/769becdb5ebaee4c4e56670600e03e6b/raw)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/a2ghv6.jpg)

+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+42 WIN (+8715)
-276 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT -550 (+8439)

Dividing debt into 3 sections of 92 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 46+ units.

+48 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 44+ units.

+18 WIN <=== successive late hits
+42 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 28+ units.

+54 WIN (+8601)

Debt is now 114 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 57+ units.

-427 LOSS <=== Emergency Bailout; -950 (+8174)

The debt is now 541 units.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/123ql4p.jpg)

Dividing into 5 pieces of 109 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 55+ units.

+81 WIN <=== Wing Events + Aggressive Incline on last bet

Double start unit, profit goal 29+ units.

+42 WIN

Debt is now 418 units, into 4 sections of 105 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 53+ units.

+62 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 44+ units.

+54 WIN

Debt is now 302 units, into 3 sections of 101 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 51+ units.

+27 WIN <=== multiple drawdowns; -500
+24 WIN <=== 1 drawdown

Double start unit, profit goal 51+ units.

+39 WIN <=== late hit
+72 WIN <=== Strong successive 9 Probabala hits (+8461)

The debt is now 140 units.  With only 3-4 coups required at a single unit, I am writing this debt off.

Normal play.

+42 WIN
+42 WIN
+6 WIN <=== multiple drawdowns
+39 WIN
+42 WIN (+8632)
-444 LOSS <=== Emergency Bailout; -1050 (+8188)

Dividing into 4 sections of 111 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 56+ units.

+66 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 46+ units.

+63 WIN

Debt is now 315 units, divided into 3 sections of 105 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 53+ units.

+63 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 43+ units.

+48 WIN

Debt is now 204 units, divided into 2 sections of 102 units.

Double start unit, profit goal 51+ units.

+70 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 32+ units.

+36 WIN (+8534)

Debt is now 98 units.  Writing this off.

Normal play.

+18 WIN <===on video (https://youtu.be/imDlxGkQiMY) double drawdown; -150
+48 WIN
+42 WIN
-87 LOSS <=== double downswing; -250

Double start, profit goal 44+ units.

+48 WIN

Double start, profit goal 40 units.

+42 WIN

Normal play.

+39 WIN (+8684)
+42 WIN (+8726)  <=== All time high!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l46CtynlAiRNzfsA0/giphy.gif)

+30 WIN <=== multiple drawdowns
+30 WIN <=== on video (https://youtu.be/dWTI7gH33jg) double drawdown
-189 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT; multiple drawdowns -400 (+8597)

Dividing into 2 sections of 95 units.

Double start, profit goal 48+ units.

+62 WIN

Double start, profit goal 34+units.

+51 WIN

Debt is now 76 units.

Double start, profit goal 38+ units.

+9 WIN <=== full drawdown -150
+18 WIN <=== late hit (+8737)
-84 LOSS <=== multiple drawdowns;-550 (+8653)

Debt is now 133 units, 2 sections of 67 units.

Double start, profit goal 34+units.

+42 WIN

Double start, profit goal 26+ units.

-324 LOSS <=== EMERGENCY BAILOUT; multiple drawdowns -600 (+8371)

Debt is now 415 units, into 4 sections of 104 units.

Double start, profit goal 52+ units.

+75 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala, aggressive last bet.

Double start, profit goal 29+ units.

+42 WIN

Debt is now 298 units, into 3 sections of 100 units.

Double start, profit goal +50 units.

+68 WIN

Double start, profit goal 32+ units.

+48 WIN

Debt is now 182 units, into 2 sections of 91 units.

Double start, profit goal 46+ units.

-210 <=== MINI-BAILOUT; multiple drawdowns -450 (+8394)

Debt is now 392 units, into 4 sections of 98 units.

Double start, profit goal 49+ units.

+69 WIN <=== Strong 9 Probabala; aggressive last bet

Double start, profit goal 29+ units.

+30 WIN

Debt is now 293 units, into 3 sections of 98 units.

Double start, profit goal 49+ units.

+66 WIN (+8559)

Double start, profit goal 32+ units.

-21 LOSS <=== full drawdown -150 (+8538)

Debt is now 248 units into 3 sections of 83 units.

Double start, profit goal 42+ units.

+6 WIN <=== Multiple drawdowns; -500
+63 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala, aggressive last 2 bets

Debt is now 179 units, into 2 sections of 90 units.

Double start units, profit goal 45+ units.

+12 WIN <=== double late hits (+8619)
-60 LOSS <=== full drawdown -150 (+8559)

Debt is now 227 units, into 3 sections of 76 units.

Double start, profit goal 38+ units.

+54 WIN <=== Strong Probabala, aggressive betting (+8613)
 
Double start, profit goal 22+units.

-51 LOSS <=== full drawdown -150 (+8562)

Double start, profit goal 35+ units.

+45 WIN

Double start, profit goal 25+ units.

+27 WIN

Debt is now 152 units, into 2 sections of 76 units.

Double start, profit goal is 38+ units.

+39 WIN

Double start, profit goal 37+ units.

+48 WIN

Debt is now 65 units.

Double start, profit goal 33+ units.

+42 WIN

Double start, profit goal 24 units.

+24 WIN (+8787) <=== NEW HIGH!

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/59/1c/c7/591cc7aa0d86007e5df84509438498da.gif)

+39 WIN
+42 WIN
-27 LOSS <=== double drawdown -150

Double start, profit goal 28+ units.

+36 WIN (+8877)

Normal play.

+42 WIN
+48 WIN (+8967)
+54 WIN
+42 WIN
+33 WIN <=== multiple late hits
+39 WIN
+27 WIN <=== drawdown
+6 WIN <=== double late hit
+6 WIN <=== full drawdown
-57 LOSS <=== full drawdown

Double start, profit goal 29+ units.

+36 WIN

Double start, profit goal 22 units.

+30 WIN (+9183)

Normal play.

+6 WIN <=== full drawdown
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
-102 LOSS <=== double drawdown & late hits

Double start unit, profit goal 51+ units.

+54 WIN

Double start, profit goal 49 units.

+72 WIN <=== missed goal by 1 unit, had to re-bet (+9294)

Normal play.

+24 WIN <=== full drawdown
+54 WIN <=== strong Probabala, aggressive last 2 bets
+42 WIN
+45 WIN
+6 WIN <=== late hit
+42 WIN (+9507)
+57 WIN <=== strong Wing Event, aggressive final bet
+57 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala, aggressive final bet
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 01, 2017, 06:58:01 PM
https://youtu.be/imDlxGkQiMY <=== Double downswing; -150 units RECOVERY
https://youtu.be/dWTI7gH33jg <=== Double downswing & RECOVERY; Aggressive Edition
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Jake007 on April 02, 2017, 03:13:38 PM
91.86% will successively fully lose 5-6 times as a once in a lifetime event (1 out of 8M & 1 out of 4M).  4 full successive losses occurs only 1 in 290,909 times for a loss of 1200 units.

Reyth... Love what you are doing man! AWESOME work! I have a question... how did you determine the statistical data above? Im running my own version of the 4 corners by jekhb76 and have not lost 3 levels of 14 step progressions yet. Ive done quite well with it. Have probably done close to 500 spins after trigger with no losses. I know 4 levels would be a once in a lifetime event.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 02, 2017, 05:41:44 PM
I ran 9 numbers for 16M coups & calculated the base percentage chance of the main progression failing one time from that data (16M divided by total hits all the way up to the 9th spin).  I then "bootstrapped" that base percentage to determine the total number of successive failures and the number of appearances of each level of failure.

I used two pieces of software to do this:

1) Rstation
2) Rdist

If you are betting 16 numbers then you would get your base percentage from that, which is:

(http://i65.tinypic.com/nn42km.jpg)

99.964 chance of the full 14 step progression hitting, which can only be expected to successively lose:

(http://i65.tinypic.com/5pocae.jpg)

Once: 0.000359125 <=== 1 in 2778, rare but you will see this
Twice: 0.000000125 <=== 1 in 8M, not expected to be seen in your roulette life

If you can always handle a hit after 2 successive losses, you will be grailed.  Recovering from 1 successive loss before another loss is seen, is a practical grail.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 02, 2017, 09:16:12 PM
(http://www.redkid.net/generator/8ball/newsign.php?line1=EIGHT&line2=DOUBLE&line3=BANK&Shake+Me=Shake+Me)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/24enae9.jpg)

+39 WIN
+33 WIN <=== successive late hits
+9 WIN <=== full drawdown & late hits
+4 WIN <=== full drawdown
+42 WIN
+48 WIN
+57 WIN <=== Strong 6 Probabala & aggressive betting on last 3 spins
-147 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT double drawdown; -300, ignored scrap to -30 before 2nd drawdown

Dividing into 2 sections of 74 units.

Double start, profit goal 37+ units.

+39 WIN

Double start, profit goal 35+ units.

+12 units <=== betting error
+36 WIN

Debt is now 60 units.

Double start, profit goal 30+ units.

-90 LOSS <=== full drawdown & late hits

Debt is now 150 units into 2 sections of 75 units.

Double start, profit goal 38+ units.

+54 WIN

Double start, profit goal 22+ units.

+30 WIN

Debt is now 66 units.

Double start, profit goal 33+ units.

+42 WIN

Double start, profit goal 25 units.

+36 WIN (+9865)

Normal play.

+39 WIN
+45 WIN
+54 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala; aggressive last bet
+24 WIN <=== full drawdown & latest hit on aggressive push
+45 WIN
+51 WIN <=== strong Wings event & aggressive last bet (+10123)
+54 WIN <=== strong Wings/Probabala; aggressive last 2 bets (+10177)
-1161 LOSS <=== multiple full drawdowns, ignored scrap back to -30, to -500x2 and exit

(http://i64.tinypic.com/27wx8r8.jpg)

Profit balance is now +9016.  Cutting debt in half which is 581 units.  Dividing into 5 sections of 117 units.

Double start, profit goal 59+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start, profit goal 58+ units.

+75 WIN <=== strong Wings event, aggressive last bet

Debt is now 446 units, into 4 sections of 112 units.

Double start, profit goal 56+ units.

+57 WIN

Double start, profit goal 55+ units.

+69 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala, aggressive last bet

Debt is now 320 units, into 3 sections of 107 units.

Double start, profit goal 54+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start, profit goal 48+ units.

+60 WIN <=== strong Wings Event, aggressive last bet

The debt is now 200 units, into 2 sections of 100 units.

Double start, profit goal 50+ units.

+66 WIN

Double start, profit goal 34+ units.

+36 WIN

Debt is now 98 units, 2 sections of 49 units.

Double start, profit goal 49+ units.

+66 WIN <=== missed target goal by 1 unit, rebet

Double start, profit goal 33+ units.

+42 WIN <=== GOAL ACHIEVED!!!

(https://i.giphy.com/FX3OLJAUhOZNK.gif)

Profit balance is +9607 with the debt now at 570 units.  Cutting again in half for 285 units.  Dividing into 3 sections of 95 units.

Double start, profit goal 48+ units.

+78 WIN <=== very strong Probabalas; aggressive last 3 bets

Double start, profit goal 18+ units.

-75 LOSS <=== direct drawdown + late hit -150

Double start, profit goal 45+ units.

+6 WIN <=== "bad" probabala [selection has repeats/recents]
+57 WIN <=== strong Wing Event, aggressive final bet

Double start, profit goal 27+ units.

+36 WIN

Debt is now 183 units, into 2 sections of 92 units.

Double start, profit goal 46+ units.

-33 LOSS <=== successive full drawdown & late hit -250

Double start unit, profit goal 34+ units.

+42 WIN
+54 WIN

Double start unit, profit goal 29+ units.

+30 WIN

Debt is now 90 units.

Double start, profit goal 45+ units.

+48 WIN

Double start, profit goal 43 units.

-57 LOSS <=== full drawdown & late hits, bad Probabala [repeats, recents]

Double start, profit goal 29+ units.

+36 WIN

Double start, profit goal 22 units.

+24 WIN

Continuing with profit goal of 41 units.

+63 WIN (+9916)

Debt is now 261 units.  Writing this off with 6-7 coups to new high at a single unit.

Normal play.

+27 WIN <=== bad probabala; [2X recent/repeats]
-60 LOSS <=== full drawdown; successive late hits, bad probabala

Double start, profit goal 30+ units.

+42 WIN

Double start, profit goal 19 units.

+36 WIN

Normal play.

+42 WIN
+42 WIN
-27 LOSS <=== successive late hits, bad probabala

Double start, profit goal 28+ units.

+45 WIN <=== Wings Event, aggressive last several bets (+10063)

Normal play.

+57 WIN <=== very strong probabala, aggressive last several bets (+10120)
+57 WIN <=== strong probabala, aggressive last 2 bets (+10177)
+18 WIN <=== successive late hits (+10195)

ALL TIME HIGH!

(http://rs1188.pbsrc.com/albums/z413/Orvana/gifs/cheeringstarterfor10.gif~c200)

+48 WIN
+9 WIN <=== successive late hits
+51 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala, aggressive last bet
+57 WIN <=== strong Wings/Probabala, aggressive last 2 bets
+27 WIN <=== late hit, bad probabala
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+45 WIN (+10513)
+48 WIN
+48 WIN
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+45 WIN (+10732)
+42 WIN
+42 WIN (+10816) <=== on video (https://youtu.be/mXBb6CKXL_g)

(https://www.bangvapor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Cloud-Nine_1.gif)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/20q0rc8.jpg)

+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+39 WIN
+42 WIN
+48 WIN <=== strong Wings, aggressive last bet
+9 WIN <=== full drawdown & late hits
+51 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala & Wings; aggressive last 3 bets
+42 WIN
+57 WIN <=== strong 9 Proabala, aggressive last bet
+9 WIN <=== full double drawdown; -300, aggressive recovery with strong Wings/Probabala
+39 WIN (+11230)
-84 LOSS <=== double drawdown; -300 (+11146)

Double start, profit goal 42+ units.

+60 WIN

Double start, profit goal 25 units.

+30 WIN (+11236)

Normal play.

+33 WIN <=== bad Probabala
+48 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala, aggressive final bet
+15 WIN <=== double drawdown
+39 WIN
+45 WIN <=== strong Wings, aggressive final bet
+39 WIN
+45 WIN <=== strong Wings, aggressive final bet
+59 WIN <=== extremely strong 9 Probabala [23 spins]  (2X raise) & Wings, aggressive last 2 bets
+45 WIN
+42 WIN <=== strong 9 & 6 Probabala; aggressive last 2 bets
-36 LOSS <=== bad probabala

Double start, profit goal 37+ units.

+48 WIN (+11658)

Normal play.

+33 WIN <=== latest hit; strong Wings, aggressive last 2 bets, bad probabala
+9 WIN <=== full drawdown, weak probabala
+45 WIN <=== strong Wings, aggressive last bet
+39 WIN <=== strong Wings, aggressive last 2 bets
+57 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala, aggressive last bet
+42 WIN <=== strong 9 Probabala, aggressive last bet
+63 WIN <=== on video (https://youtu.be/RgiRIPTKzL8) strong 9 Probabala & Wings, aggressive last 3 bets
+39 WIN
+54 WIN <=== strong Wings, aggressive final bet (+12000)
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 05, 2017, 02:07:24 AM
Expectation Tables

(http://i65.tinypic.com/i1btw3.jpg)

WARNING:  When using this table, I became inspired to raise more than I normally have which is a mistake.  Statistically, it is enough to increase the incline by remaining at the current raise or only raising a single unit.



(http://i64.tinypic.com/2a7sbau.jpg)

The Reverse Engineering Curse is constantly chasing us (or are we constantly chasing it!?).  Eventually, favorable odds become bad and even the worst losing streaks.

The following delimiters are designed to avoid this phenomenon:

A) Easily attainable session profit goal

Minimizing our exposure to the Reverse Engineering Curse.  This is like grabbing into a bag of 10 colored marbles and 1 of them is black.  We only grab into the bag 3 times and then stop.  Chances are we won't pick up the black marble. :)

B) Ending "bad leaning" sessions prior to hitting the full session goal

Anticipating the onset of the Reverse Engineering Curse.  "Bad leaning" sessions are coming in more frequently than expectation; this is worse than a new session!

C) Accepting smaller losses during actual bad sessions

Avoiding the worst successive drawdowns from the Reverse Engineering Curse and statistically expected counter-swings.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: moles40 on April 05, 2017, 03:21:01 PM
A really awesome new way to play, thanks man will try it out a.s.a.p.
Eddy
So play first Street of each dozen then 2nd street then 3rd then 4th Street of each dozen then back to first Street ,what is the progression again i didn't see it ,you continue untill hit then start again ??
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 05, 2017, 04:25:25 PM

Progression

3   3    = 24.33%
3   6    = 42.73%
6   12  = 56.66%
6   18  = 67.19%
9   27  = 75.17%
9   36  = 81.21%
12   48  = 85.78%
12   60  = 89.23%
15   75  = 91.86%

Click the link at the top of the quote, its the very first post.  After every hit you start the progression again.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 07, 2017, 03:07:04 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/q0OpW9pFwXOuI/giphy.gif)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/GcT0QFwBsUnw4/giphy-downsized-large.gif)

Don't think I haven't caught the glares out of the corner of my eye.

I've heard the whispering:

"He wouldn't be winning like this if he was playing for real money!"

"Sure anybody can win on a toy RNG!"

Well, I figure now is as good a time as any to start playing for real money!

I will continue tracking in this thread seamlessly (the balance total will not change) but from +12000 units on, all profits will be real money bets!

Even though I can start with 1200 units (which is a table bank), I am bringing a total bankroll of 3600 units to be safe.  This is because of the double drawdown, which you can see on the charts at around +3500 units(1) and around +3900 units(2).

If there should be the "normal" loss of a single table bank followed by a second such loss before the first one can be regained, having 3600 units total bankroll will cover that.

Most likely nothing beyond 1200 units will actually be necessary but I have learned the hard way that it is always better to be safe.

Carry on!! :D
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 07, 2017, 04:21:37 PM
+60 WIN <=== strong Wings, aggressive last bet



INTERMISSION -- this casino only goes back 10 spins on their board, I must finish my tracker before proceeding any further as the optimal spin number for the 6 Probabala is 13+.



Ok, a very ugly & simple but functional tracker has been completed.

+45 WIN <=== Full drawdown after late hit , very strong Probabala & aggressive recovery; -150
+33 WIN <=== 3 drawdowns; -750, incredibly strong probabala & aggressive recovery
+45 WIN <=== strong Wings, aggressive last 3 bets
+39 WIN (+12162)
-237 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT full drawdown & successive late hits, bad probabala

Dividing into 3 sections of 79 units.

Double start, profit goal 40+ units.

-1122 LOSS <=== Multiple full drawdowns, ignore scrap back to  -93 & -48 after -384

Personal note: I simply played too aggressively; instead of following the rules and accepting a smaller loss (like I have done several times in past sessions) I decided to "stay in there" because of the Probabala.  I believe two factors have contributed to this which are, a change of venue & use of a tracker which captured my attention in a different way.

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Total debt is now 1359, divided in half is 680 units.  Cut into 6 sections of 114 units. (+10803)

Double start, profit goal 57+ units.

+86 WIN

Double start, profit goal 29+ units.

+30 WIN

Debt is now 564, cut into 5 sections of 113 units.

Double start, profit goal 57+ units.

+81 WIN <=== Wings, aggressive final bet

Double start, profit goal 33+ units.

+42 WIN

Debt is now 441, cut into 4 sections of 111 units.

Double start, profit goal 56+ units.

+83 WIN <=== strong Wings [16], aggressive last bet

Double start, profit goal 29+ units.

+30 WIN

Debt is now 328, cut into 3 sections of 110 units.

Double start, profit goal 55+ units.

+18 WIN <=== bad probabala
+66 WIN

Double start, profir goal 26+ units.

+31 WIN

Debt is now 213 units, cut into 2 sections of 107 units.

Double start, profit goal 54+ units.

+54 WIN

Double start, profit goal 54+ units.

+66 WIN

Double start, profit goal 42+ units.

-27 LOSS <=== bad probabala

Double start, profit goal 28+ units.

-6 LOSS <=== full drawdown, bad probabala

Double start, profit goal 34+ units.

+36 WIN

Continuing with profit goal 46+ units.

-45 LOSS <=== full drawdown, bad probabala

Double start, profit goal 46+ units.

+42 WIN <=== 3 hits in a row followed by bad probabala

Continuing with 46+ units.

+9 WIN <=== double drawdown -189; Wings, aggressive last 2 bets
 +42 WIN

Debt is now 42 units.

Double start, profit goal 43+ units.

-1130 LOSS ===> multiple drawdowns with no acceptable exit point

Total debt is now 1787, cut in 3 pieces of 596 units.  Dividing into 6 sections of 100 units.

Double start, profit goal 50+ units.

-3 LOSS <=== betting errorx2 + late hit & bad probabala
-222 LOSS <=== MINI-BAILOUT; double drawdown, bad probabala

Dividing this debt in half for 111 units.

Double start, profit goal 56+ units.

+90 WIN <=== Wings, aggressive final bet

Re-dividing debt of 132.

Double start, profit goal 33+ units.

+46 WIN

Double start, profit goal 20+ units.

+42 WIN

Debt is now 44 units.

Double start, profit goal 45+ units.

+66 WIN

Debt is now 1768, continuing with 50+ units.

Went down to -531 and quit playing -- something is wrong.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 10, 2017, 06:17:47 PM
Just want to update this thread after getting completely hammered.

I think this is either a bizarre coincidence or somehow the simulator I use is "soft".

I can't tell which it is and so the only solution is to ALWAYS test with money spins; this completely eliminates any possibility of incongruous results.

There are other versions of this system that I need to look into at some point.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: ignatus on April 10, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
Amazing work you've put down testing this one. You should have more credit for that, and most people are afraid because of the negative progression... too bad, but i guess you're doing it for your own sake, and to find a playable system with real money. Same as i do..

Sorry for not reading the whole thread, but what is your stoploss?
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 10, 2017, 07:17:14 PM
The forced loss is -1200 units which is a table bank.

There is however:

1) Small Loss -- 2+ progression losses, scrap back to less than -100
2) Emergency Bailout -- 700-800 debt, successively lower until -300 to -400
3) Mini Bailout -- between Small Loss and Emergency Bailout but ended because of slower recovery at -100 to -200

These 3 are to avoid counter swings and also avoid the forced loss.

I think this is definitely workable and there are many options available for tweaking.

Thanks for your input King Ignatus! :D
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Rinad on April 11, 2017, 02:33:50 AM


  Reyth, just finishing reading the whole thread of your 9 waves system. a lot of hard work you have done there.
I see that playing for real money did not turn out well. I am just curious. do you trust the casino you played out of ?   was it a online casino?

the system seems like it performed so well for so long I am surprise it did what it did, and makes you doubt your performance. you had a lot of practice with it. strange coincidence.
God bless,
Rinad
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on April 11, 2017, 03:07:49 AM
Hey thanks Rinad!

Yes, I trust the online casino I play at, I know someone that has a winning system that plays there.

I am aghast at what happened and I have no way to actually prove if it is a coincidence or not.  I think it has got to be the most bizarre thing, timing wise -- I just don't know.

The system can be tweaked and improved to reduce risk because it generates profit quite strongly.

In the future I just can't afford to trust non-money spins; if I don't get hammered by the "toy RNG" then it is only the entry level to an acceptable system.  Ideally I should always be using real money spins to seriously test, at all times.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Jake007 on May 12, 2017, 06:00:59 PM
Reyth... I dont understand, can you help explain? So you were playing all of this with test credits or with real money? And also... if you were up 12,000 units and suffered some defeats, I dont see a big deal.

However, I will tell you I notice a difference when I play test credits vs. real credits. Its not necessarily a huge difference, but playing over time I notice it. I cant pinpoint it other than saying profit doesnt come as fast. I should do an analysis of say 1000+ spins with test vs. real credits. Would be interesting.
Title: Re: Nine Waves
Post by: Reyth on May 12, 2017, 06:17:54 PM
I was using a simulator and not casino spins and every time I switched to casino spins, I would notice larger drawdowns and more frequent losses.

I basically let this go because it is less efficient than it can be, even though it works really well.  The increased losses make it not as worth it, as was first apparent.