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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #165 on: June 25, 2016, 10:28:57 PM »
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"over the years " mrJ has claimed profiting from his.
"over the years " then he won with BOTH method play and AP.
Is he now claiming, as you suggest, that he only  won when  using only AP ?-Scepticus

I don't really know Mr. J's situation.  I suspect that he has an advantage of some kind.  You'd have to ask him.  I just know this, you don't want to make him angry.   ;)    He's kind of like Rooster Cogburn.  He's very seasoned and only plays in a real casino.

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #166 on: June 25, 2016, 11:44:52 PM »
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so you are a self-styled  Advantage Player then ?

My guess is that he's playing with an advantage of some size based on his comments regarding having won substantial amounts over the years.

"over the years " mrJ has claimed profiting from his.
"over the years " then he won with BOTH method play and AP.
Is he now claiming, as you suggest, that he only  won when  using only AP ?

I think me and Kav did this maybe six weeks ago. I really dont want to look for the post (you can).

As I said, there is a difference between winning and always a winner. If a guy plays a Marty on either red or black then starts his Martingale system......wins on Monday Tuesday Wednesday.

Is this guy winning OR always a winner? HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!!!

Where did I say I am into AP? Can you find that for me please. I have also stated, if I ever really got into AP (full commitment) its all I would be doing/practicing etc.

I NEVER do anything half a**. Regardless if casino related or not. 100% or I dont even start. I've always been like that. As Real said, a person may be using (at least in results) AP tactics and might not know it OR simply using a different term....like a "method".

Is this me? I dont know.

Ken 
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 12:21:13 AM by mr j »
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #167 on: June 26, 2016, 12:32:43 AM »
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so you are a self-styled  Advantage Player then ?

My guess is that he's playing with an advantage of some size based on his comments regarding having won substantial amounts over the years.

"over the years " mrJ has claimed profiting from his.
"over the years " then he won with BOTH method play and AP.
Is he now claiming, as you suggest, that he only  won when  using only AP ?

I think me and Kav did this maybe six weeks ago. I really dont want to look for the post (you can).

As I said, there is a difference between winning and always a winner. If a guy plays a Marty on either red or black then starts his Martingale system......wins on Monday Tuesday Wednesday.

Is this guy winning OR always a winner? HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!!!

Where did I say I am into AP? Can you find that for me please. I have also stated, if I ever really got into AP (full commitment) its all I would be doing/practicing etc.

I NEVER do anything half a**. Regardless if casino related or not. 100% or I dont even start. I've always been like that. As Real said, a person may be using (at least in results) AP tactics and might not know it OR simply using a different term....like a "method".

Is this me? I dont know.

Ken

In your post of June 25 you said you "played the wheel ". This is the usual expression used by AP so I think it reasonable to think that you were an AP.
btw
at the risk of making you angry , I don't agree that betting ECs is foolish .
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #168 on: June 26, 2016, 12:39:38 AM »
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so you are a self-styled  Advantage Player then ?

My guess is that he's playing with an advantage of some size based on his comments regarding having won substantial amounts over the years.

"over the years " mrJ has claimed profiting from his.
"over the years " then he won with BOTH method play and AP.
Is he now claiming, as you suggest, that he only  won when  using only AP ?

I think me and Kav did this maybe six weeks ago. I really dont want to look for the post (you can).

As I said, there is a difference between winning and always a winner. If a guy plays a Marty on either red or black then starts his Martingale system......wins on Monday Tuesday Wednesday.

Is this guy winning OR always a winner? HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!!!

Where did I say I am into AP? Can you find that for me please. I have also stated, if I ever really got into AP (full commitment) its all I would be doing/practicing etc.

I NEVER do anything half a**. Regardless if casino related or not. 100% or I dont even start. I've always been like that. As Real said, a person may be using (at least in results) AP tactics and might not know it OR simply using a different term....like a "method".

Is this me? I dont know.

Ken

In your post of June 25 you said you "played the wheel ". This is the usual expression used by AP so I think it reasonable to think that you were an AP.
btw
at the risk of making you angry , I don't agree that betting ECs is foolish .

The "angry" thing is kinda a joke. We disagree regarding ECs, oh well. At the minimum level of knowledge, why would you not play the wheel? (even if not into AP). I'm leaving now, off to the casino. I did something kind of new. My buddy is playing there now, sitting NEXT to the wheel (my favorite spot).

He's holding my spot for me (lol)....good buddies are hard to find.

Ken
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #169 on: June 26, 2016, 12:48:14 AM »
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so you are a self-styled  Advantage Player then ?

My guess is that he's playing with an advantage of some size based on his comments regarding having won substantial amounts over the years.

"over the years " mrJ has claimed profiting from his.
"over the years " then he won with BOTH method play and AP.
Is he now claiming, as you suggest, that he only  won when  using only AP ?

I think me and Kav did this maybe six weeks ago. I really dont want to look for the post (you can).

As I said, there is a difference between winning and always a winner. If a guy plays a Marty on either red or black then starts his Martingale system......wins on Monday Tuesday Wednesday.

Is this guy winning OR always a winner? HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!!!

Where did I say I am into AP? Can you find that for me please. I have also stated, if I ever really got into AP (full commitment) its all I would be doing/practicing etc.

I NEVER do anything half a**. Regardless if casino related or not. 100% or I dont even start. I've always been like that. As Real said, a person may be using (at least in results) AP tactics and might not know it OR simply using a different term....like a "method".

Is this me? I dont know.

Ken

In your post of June 25 you said you "played the wheel ". This is the usual expression used by AP so I think it reasonable to think that you were an AP.
btw
at the risk of making you angry , I don't agree that betting ECs is foolish .

The "angry" thing is kinda a joke. We disagree regarding ECs, oh well. At the minimum level of knowledge, why would you not play the wheel? (even if not into AP). I'm leaving now, off to the casino. I did something kind of new. My buddy is playing there now, sitting NEXT to the wheel (my favorite spot).

He's holding my spot for me (lol)....good buddies are hard to find.

Ken

What do you mean by "at the minimum level of knowledge why would you not play the wheel "?
I'll read your answer tomorrow .
Hope you have ( had ) a profitable visit to the casino .
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #170 on: June 26, 2016, 01:08:20 AM »
Careful...careful now, we don't want a gun fight here. ;)
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #171 on: June 27, 2016, 03:05:36 AM »
Regardless of the truth of your example, the random results of Red and Black are still being limited and can be expected to not exceed certain minimums/maximums.  The purpose of all system design is to structure our bets to take advantage of that limiting force.

We have told you this over and over but it still hasn't sunk in.
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #172 on: June 27, 2016, 03:10:43 AM »
Reyth,

I accidently posted in the wrong thread. 

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The purpose of all system design is to structure our bets to take advantage of that limiting force.

We have told you this over and over but it still hasn't sunk in.

By the way....you're so wrong.  Don't you ever wonder why your systems don't work? 
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #173 on: June 27, 2016, 03:30:19 AM »
No.  What I wonder is why you think repeating your opinion about the Gambler's Fallacy Theory is going to change the mind of anyone that understands how variance works.
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #174 on: June 27, 2016, 08:44:54 AM »
Reyth,

With the greatest of respect, if you understood "how variance works",  and it's statistical dynamics, I doubt you'd be applauding some of the misconceived ideas that have been discussed in this forum of late. If you're implying that the Gamblers Fallacy is incorrect, and that there is merit in the concept of numbers, or series of numbers, being due (which of course you're free to believe) then I think we're probably conversing from completely diametrically opposing positions - with little chance of any consensus. In this case I suspect further discussion will, regrettably, be futile.

 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #175 on: June 27, 2016, 08:54:35 AM »
What I believe I can see and prove.  The GF is only a theory.  As you say, everyone is free to believe what they wish.
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #176 on: June 27, 2016, 11:55:21 AM »

The AP players claim the  edge. They say to play profitable but they can not prove it, because they cannot show their live method on internet.

I play with my proven strategy in a B&M casino and on internet.. When I offer a demonstration on the internet, they are not at home
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #177 on: June 27, 2016, 07:03:04 PM »
Does anyone else think that the gamblers fallacy is only a theory, and there's merit in the concept that some numbers, or series of numbers, have a higher probabiity of showing than others?
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #178 on: June 27, 2016, 07:41:07 PM »
Does anyone else think that the gamblers fallacy is only a theory, and there's merit in the concept that some numbers, or series of numbers, have a higher probabiity of showing than others?

My view...I'm sure Real can do this better than me but this is my opinion. Due or bet on cold? No but I thought that way years back.

Individual numbers (not splits, streets etc).......temporarily hot? I say YES but with strict rules.

What does hot mean? Max numbers to bet? For how long (then drop THAT number)?
No damn progression. Hot might mean a bias wheel? Maybe it doesn't mean bias, its just a hot number(s), dont look so deep into the WHY OF IT? etc. etc. etc.

This is as close as I can get to your question.

Ken
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #179 on: June 27, 2016, 07:52:52 PM »
Does anyone else think that the gamblers fallacy is only a theory, and there's merit in the concept that some numbers, or series of numbers, have a higher probabiity of showing than others?

Gambler´s Fallacy is a psychological disfunction because people think: Now must this ... happen, if it didn´t happen for a longer period.
It is like a alcoholic says to himself, tomorrow I will stop, but today I drink a last time.

No number has a higher probability than any other number.
 
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