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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2016, 08:54:19 AM »
this forum needs a thumbs up thumbs down like facebook kav's last post is a big thumbs up and many would agree, I think a lot of system players, only elaborate on certain areas of their game play, so not to expose their winning methods in fear of change to rng's, no different to ap players at a casino that wouldn't wont to expose themselves as such, I cant see this changing.   
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2016, 08:56:24 AM »


And btw, wats up with this:



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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2016, 09:36:21 AM »
Bebe,
Mainly we agree.

I think the main point of disagreement are the reasons why AP is so rare a method. You may say its because people do not get it, or I may say it is because it is practically almost impossible. But the reasons are not the important issue actually.
To give you an example:
It is like going to a weightlifting forum and say again and again "Hey! you are losing your time. The world record is 250Kg and you can't reach it"
Now we can disagree if the reason you can't beat it is lack of skill, training or doping, but we can both agree the comment is irrelevant.
AP is so rare because it is hard and need  a lot time.  But that is not main.
I can give you better example - say your aim is to go to Moscow. Now what is alegoria with system player - he moves in random direction and try to reach his aim , if not reach he change direction and start move with double speed again not  reach again  other direction and again double speed ...
What do AP - he calculate with compass direction and move accordingly his calculations.
Now say who have better chances to reach aim ?

AP also can miss aim, but he have better chances.

Now back to system player - is not better  for him  abit to think about direction  ? No matter it will be exact or not but still it will be in most cases better than random.....
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2016, 11:02:39 AM »
I can give you better example - say your aim is to go to Moscow. Now what is alegoria with system player - he moves in random direction and try to reach his aim , if not reach he change direction and start move with double speed again not  reach again  other direction and again double speed ...
What do AP - he calculate with compass direction and move accordingly his calculations.
Now say who have better chances to reach aim ?

AP also can miss aim, but he have better chances.

Now back to system player - is not better  for him  about to think about direction  ? No matter it will be exact or not but still it will be in most cases better than random.....

This is a very nice parable.
Yes, let's say we want to go to Moscow.
And yes, it is possible to never arrive there, AP player or system player.
And even if the AP has a compass, the system player has a remote possibility to arrive at Moscow out of pure luck, even if the AP has the "compass".

Now these are my main objections to Real's attitude:
He doesn't describe AP as a "compass", he makes it look like a fast train to Moscow, which is not true and misleading.
In this forum we discuss like sharing directions and experiences and "maps of explorations" between us in order to help each other. Now how helpful is to just pop up like a smart-ass and say: "Hey stupid! You don't have a compass!"

 
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2016, 11:14:54 AM »
Kav,

How helpful is it to sell a system or systems that YOU know don't work?
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2016, 11:32:07 AM »
Real,

Look here and here first.
Oh and here.

Better luck next time you try to troll :-)
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2016, 01:27:44 PM »
A little piece of me actually feels sorry for the guy

He doesn't understand that people get a thrill out of strategies

Bayes was 100000% on point

He is reduced to going on all forums to state systems don't work

I do feel a little sorry because its obvious he has nothing better to do

I have won more then i have lost with systems but he would still say it is meaningless. Sad
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2016, 03:06:05 PM »
Reyth,

I was confused as well.
But I think these pictures are default avatars to our forum so anyone can use it.
 
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2016, 04:07:33 PM »
Oh wow, I didn't know we had default avatars lol! >.<
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2016, 05:12:54 PM »
It's kind of funny to imply that most of the people here aren't interested in making money.  :)

That's not what I said, as you well know. I said it's not the *only* criteria. I think many system players are aware that what they're doing is mathematically impossible, but still try, for the reasons I gave above.

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I agree with Real regarding this subject, 100%

So Ken, you've gone over to the "dark side" now?

Systems don't work?  :)

I try and see both sides. Those that know me, at least give me that much. I get stuck in the middle quite a bit on the boards (kinda like at RF). Real might dislike me for this or the system guys might dislike me for this.

Meaning.....(I'm terrible at wording), I play a SMALL number of methods. Right off the bat, I could be the bad guy (lol). However, how I play is *NOTHING* even remotely close to 98% of the goofs at RF/VLS, that I can promise you. My method(s) is quite complex but MUST BE EASY enough for quick chip placement at a REAL casino.

2-4 numbers, no fu***n trot, no progression, no RNG etc. It revolves around hot (at the time) numbers.

Knowing when to bet, how many numbers (max), when to stop betting, never a HG etc. Nothing is hot, nothing is hot, nothing is hot?......when to EASE back to maybe betting 1-2 numbers max until things pick up. It took YEARS of trial & error and I am very happy with it. So, am I in the same crowd with the RF guys?

Yes and no I guess. I dont EVER want to be lumped into that same CREW of denial goofs over there. Some good hearted guys at RF I do admit but thinking outside the box is NOT one of their strong suits, sorry.

Ken
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2016, 05:24:53 PM »
In regards to Real, thats a tough one as well. Is he CORRECT most of the time, even against me? Yes he is but I at least have the nuts to say it. Did he bug the s**t out of me years ago (lol)? Yes again. Him and I "kind of" leave each other alone for now. You have to realize one thing about him, regardless if you like him or not.

He REALLY KNOWS HIS S**T, I have to give credit where its due. Should he always be correcting everyone? Probably not but I'm not his boss, he does as he pleases. There are maybe FIVE guys at RF that I'm impressed with....FIVE !!

Ken

(ps >> dont waste your time with GUT or KTF (or the cousin). Thats Kenny's free tip of the day, your welcome)
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2016, 07:03:14 PM »
In regards to Real, thats a tough one as well. Is he CORRECT most of the time, even against me? Yes he is but I at least have the nuts to say it.
Ken,
In order for someone to be correct he must say something that can be falsified. Real never says anything more than just telling everyone else they are wrong.

Furthermore since he repeats "no system can win", he effectively says you are lying when you claim that you win with a system - whatever the system. You can't have it both ways my friend: Either Real is correct or you.
We read a lot on nonsense in these forums, but at least some basic rules of logic should still apply.
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2016, 07:13:58 PM »
The player who uses SSB as a compass has a chance of 2^20 he will not arrive in Moscoc.

SSB is not a fast train from Amsterdam to Moscow, but without a train manual and a guide you can lose one`s way
 

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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2016, 10:06:17 PM »
In regards to Real, thats a tough one as well. Is he CORRECT most of the time, even against me? Yes he is but I at least have the nuts to say it.
Ken,
In order for someone to be correct he must say something that can be falsified. Real never says anything more than just telling everyone else they are wrong.

Furthermore since he repeats "no system can win", he effectively says you are lying when you claim that you win with a system - whatever the system. You can't have it both ways my friend: Either Real is correct or you.
We read a lot on nonsense in these forums, but at least some basic rules of logic should still apply.

I thought I pretty much covered all of this in my two posts? I understand the goal....for myself and Real to argue against each other?

As I said, say what you will against methods, all I please ask is to NOT put me in the same group with the RF guys. Please give me that much (lol).

Ken
 
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Re: Roulette systems don't work
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2016, 12:49:21 AM »
Attempting to beat the random game of roulette by designing systems based on the layout is as absurd as trying to break into a computer by smashing the monitor.
Real,
Of your 950 posts, the 900 are the same post with different wordings: "roulette systems don't work". So every new post with the same content you make will be posted here and move this topic to the top. Eventually we will have a mega-thread with hundreds of posts with the same message.

I'm sorry that this forum is (also) about roulette systems.
I'm sure that in the other "advantage play" forums you participate, you share the real methods to become rich by "playing the wheel". I am very happy for your success and I really wonder why not everyone follows your overly successful methods.

Looks like it's time to "get real".

And the rest of the other people's 900 posts all say things about "play this
way and win".

So they have something in common. Just opposite.